CFLPA TAKES ISSUE WITH HERVEY'S COMMENTS

THIS is where unions/PAs need to step in.

http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=431504

STONEY CREEK, Ont. – The Canadian Football League Players’ Association said Monday that it considers recent comments by Edmonton Eskimos general manager Ed Hervey to be “both inappropriate and contrary to the collective bargaining agreement” with the league.

Hervey singled out guard Simeon Rottier at a news conference last Tuesday, a day after his team dropped a 37-34 decision to the Calgary Stampeders. Quarterback Mike Reilly was sacked seven times in the loss.

Hervey said while some members of the offensive line have shown promise this season, he had lost patience with Rottier and the player would be indefinitely benched.

“The majority of my frustration has been with Simeon,” Hervey said at the time. “Clearly Simeon is not living up to expectations. It wouldn’t bother me if he didn’t play another down this year.”

CFLPA president Mike Morreale weighed in with a statement Monday.

“The collective bargaining agreement clearly prohibits clubs and their employees from publicly criticizing the on-field performance of any player in the CFL,” he said. “The purpose of this provision is to ensure that all CFL players, as well as all CFL personnel, are dealt with in a manner that is respectful and professional, and the CFLPA will not tolerate anything less in the treatment of one of its players.”

The CFL commissioner’s office has a history of responding quickly to punish players who make public comments that could be construed as derogatory in any way, the CFLPA statement said.

“Given how quick the league is to respond and punish CFL players for remarks it deems inappropriate, it is troubling that the CFL has made no public announcement of any action that has been taken in this matter,” Morreale said. “The CFLPA expects the league to announce what disciplinary action has been taken against Mr. Hervey to ensure that this behaviour is not repeated in Edmonton or with any other CFL club.”

A CFL spokesman said the league informed Hervey last week that his comments were inappropriate, went against the CBA, and is fully confident they won’t be repeated. There were no plans for disciplinary action.

The league also notified the CFLPA on Monday that the issue was discussed with Hervey last week, the spokesman added.

The Stampeders defeated the Eskimos 22-12 in a rematch last Friday. Rottier was replaced on the offensive line by Cliff Louis.

Hey Morreale ! Take it to arbitration :lol:

yes, because legal and binding arbitration is apparently worth it's weight in cow dung to the certain members of the Canadian legal system :lol:

I actually agree with the PA this time. I usually don't. I never understand when they defend a player that committed a dirty hit on another player. They defend the player committing the foul and not the player who got hit illegally & potentially career ending! Both are union members? But they run to the defense of the defendant and not the victim.

Anyways ... As I said ... I agree with them this time. Coaches/GM's get fined for questioning officiating and the league's actions etc, etc, & so on & so on. But "YES", Hervey should be reprimanded & fined for his comments to the public about Mr. Rottier. If a player spoke similarly about officials ... he'd be fined ... About his coach or GM or teammates ... fined and possibly released.

Hervey crossed the line ... hit the club for $1500.

I can't really say it any different other than to add apparently there is such provision in the CBA, so yea, hit that. :thup:

It is up to the commissioner to handout disciplinary action not the CFLPA.

After taking the league to court last month for the Williams case, now they want to tell the commissioner how to do his job :smiley:

The CFLPA has to represent all players collectively and individually. It's like the court system - every defendant is entitled to representation and it doesn't matter if the lawyer thinks his/her client is a scumbag the lawyer still has to defend the person to the best of their ability. And also like the court system, it's the CFL vs. Player A, not Player B vs Player A.

That's fine until we get to the appeal aspect. That's where they do a disservice to their members as a whole as it diminishes the ability of the league to protect players.

You know what, I’m a bit more behind the PA now now that I know this wasn’t a post game, this was at a press conference a day after the game in question. A heat of the moment exchange this was not. I also came to the realization that if this was Scott Mitchell, and he did it to a Ti-Cat O-Lineman, even one who was under performing, I’d be frothing at the mouth. A bit less so if Kent Austin did it, because he’s the coach and is in the trenches, but a manager, or someone higher up, no. The manager’s job is to go out and get the talent, it’s the coaches job to discipline and if that’s done being done, you take it up with the coach.

If a player gets immediately fined for speaking ill of his coach and org, the fine will show up the next day. It goes both ways.

Well the league did warn Hervey. Its not like they endorsed or ignored it. What if they fine him and he appeals (he can as well) and the league loses again on appeal as there is no precedent. Then what ? :lol: The commissioner has different tools at his disposal. He can fine player to a maximum of half a game's pay but there is no provision about a fine to a GM. So the fine would end up being picked up by the Eskimos. Not much of a deterrent :lol:

Cohon I think has earned our trust. Maybe the CFLPA should respect his position, not quite sure what business they have about how the commish deals with non members.

Wasn't it Hervey who signed Odell Willis 5 minutes after midnight , after expired contracts were open to free agency - Feb.15 and was not Hervey fined for tampering?

Disagree with the CFLPA. This is a team issue not a league issue. I understand Cohon stepping in to try and keep the peace, but it's time the CFLPA got down off its high horse. I think Hervey went overboard, but that an issue for the Eskimos to deal with as I would expect if a player called out management.

Hervey needs to grow up and learn to throw his temper tantrums in private and so does the CFLPA. Both come out of this looking like spoiled children.

It's clearly spelled out in the CBA that this behavior isn't allowed. The commissioner's job includes enforcing the CBA, and he's not doing his job right now.

Aside from that, the double standard is apparent. Players get fined for saying things they shouldn't all the time, what makes Hervey special? If you can't fine him, fine the team (which he absolutely can do). In this case the CFLPA is 100% in the right.

The league agreed to the following clause in the CBA:

[b]Section 34.12. Public Criticism[/b] Member Clubs and employees of Member Clubs including Players shall be prohibited from publicly criticizing the on field performance of any Player and/or coach in the C.F.L.
but in this case did nothing about Hervey's comments. The CFLPA has now stepped in on behalf of one of its members to remind the league that it needs to take action on this matter. It looks to me like the CFLPA is taking the correct action on this one.

That's not correct, the league had a talk with Hervey. But where does it say "The league shall fine the employee" ??? Funny Union likes to use fine print when it suits them but if the league does that's not ok. :lol:

Let's fine Calvillo;
July 4
“It was embarrassing, disgusting across the board on offence,?
And what about the Bart Andrus/Arland Bruce fiasco from '09
Andrus - "He has not been a good teammate and he has not been a team player and I think that he needs to take a good look at himself and see if he's going to be able to function in pro football.?
"He has not been a good teammate and he has not been a team player and I think that he needs to take a good look at himself and see if he's going to be able to function in pro football.?

after Bruce had publicly ripped him and Joseph.

Sadly this childishness happens from time to time and I don't ever recall the league getting involved before.

The league should be concentrating on its officiating and scheduling problems and leave this to the players and coachs.

I'm not sure the CFLPA is demanding a fine, specifically, although I suspect that's what they are looking for. But more important, they are requesting a public statement about Hervey's comments, similar to what the league does for players who make "inappropriate" comments.

"Given how quick the league is to respond and punish CFL players for remarks it deems inappropriate, it is troubling that the CFL has made no public announcement of any action that has been taken in this matter," Morreale said. "The CFLPA expects the league to announce what disciplinary action has been taken against Mr. Hervey to ensure that this behaviour is not repeated in Edmonton or with any other CFL club."
It's also not clear whether the league informed the CFLPA about their discussion with Hervey before or after Morreale's statement. I suspect after; otherwise, I'm sure Morreale would have criticized the league for the lack of disciplinary action rather than just saying that their statement should include what it would be.

Maybe Cohon thinks. "IF we make a public statement about Hervey. Rottier will claim the contract is now void and declare himself a free agent " :lol:

It's probably already void based on the fact that the pen he used to sign it wasn't the right colour of blue.

Could this be all part of a larger conspiracy? Hervey publicly runs down Rottier, the PA gets involved, the league gets involved, arbitrators get involved, Edmonton leaves him unprotected for the draft and Ottawa is scared away by all the trouble.

Edmonton gets to keep Rottier without having to protect him. :rockin:

Eh? Eh? What do ya think? 8)