CFL Cancels Season

There may not be universal agreement on what constitutes a breach of “honour.” Those who make the claim should anticipate that others may respond with a different view.

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The virus will not end because we wear masks. It will be out there waiting for you to slip up and get exposed.

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Overlooked in this discussion is one of many simple realities.

Containing shamateurs to a bubble versus well-paid pro athletes are two different endeavours. The latter has worked splendidly and beyond reasonable expectation of challenges inherent in this bold new frontier.

The former? Not officially paid college kids, nope, not going to work. Or they can have something seriously watered-down even more, as NCAA basketball has become in this millennium, given the premier players are going to sit out.

This idea presents vast legal problems in the US even if a national emergency if declared. Of course, that assumes the vaccine is even reasonably safe after the first batch of guinea pigs (likely those who are the most ill) are going fare well anyway.

No, very much different - one is an external requirement, and the other is internal.

How is that making vaccination mandatory? It would just be a condition of being allowed into a large public space - no different than not being able to carry a firearm or bottle of liquor into the stadium. If you insist on walking past the guards with your Luger in your pocket someone will kindly escort you away from the gates. That doesn’t stop you from owning a gun or having a drink at home. If you go whitewater rafting, they’re going to ask you to sign a waiver and make you wear a life jacket - you have the right to say no to these conditions, and the tour company has the right to then refuse your entry on the raft. They don’t hold you down and make you wear a life jacket home

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False equivalence here and that’s speaking from the US. There’s a vast difference between requiring mandatory vaccination for entry, and internal medical requirement, and wearing masks or restriction of travel. Of course we have failed miserably on the latter, and so the virus has spread.

You are painting them all as the same under the banner of public health when each indeed has its own advantages and disadvantages let alone differences for sake of prudent implementation on practical, medical, and legal fronts.

The matter is not as broad-brushed and simple as your representation.

Marching the line as you are doing down the road of “well you don’t have to get vaccinated, but your alternative is to stay home always and quarantine in lieu of any public spaces and places” is not a true choice for any citizen.

You may as well declare selective imprisonment, and well, if you know history as do I including of my ancestry, we know where that goes too.

You are splitting hairs here under the guise of public health for specious measures unless and until far more evidence were attained, as we have on hand with the matter of masks for example. The philosophy you espouse for “no vaccine irrespective of the data on it, well no public place for you!” as choice in fact is overzealous.

We disagree.

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I hate to burst your lack of knowledge bubble, however I must:

"What do R0 values mean?

Three possibilities exist for the potential transmission or decline of a disease, depending on its R0 value:

  • If R0 is less than 1, each existing infection causes less than one new infection. In this case, the disease will decline and eventually die out.
  • f R0 equals 1, each existing infection causes one new infection. The disease will stay alive and stable, but there won’t be an outbreak or an epidemic.
  • If R0 is more than 1, each existing infection causes more than one new infection. The disease will be transmitted between people, and there may be an outbreak or epidemic".

and:

“In all modelling scenarios, routine facemask use by 50% or more of the population reduced COVID-19 spread to an R less than 1.0, flattening future disease waves and allowing less-stringent lockdowns”.

So in summary the medical experts say routine mask wearing can reduce the R0 to below 1.0 and medical experts say that if you can keep the R0 below 1.0 the disease will decline and eventually die out.

As a Crown Attorney would say, “I rest my case”.

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Someone should start a thread where we can all discuss our views on the science of pandemics, and the wisdom of the government response. I think it would be a popular thread.

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Well in Ontario, mask wearing went from something some stores asked people to wear inside to an actual bylaw requirement that several cities passed in order to move to stage 3 of reopening. Which I’m pretty sure is now a province mandated requirement. So governments can and do intervene in this type of thing if they feel it may be for the better public good. This was the original point I commented on based on a discussion between a couple of other posters - in order to allow larger public events with thousands of people in close quarters, it could become a requirement to be vaccinated to attend. Or maybe if you aren’t vaccinated there is a separate area where you asked to view the game. Whether we think that is right or wrong, it could come to pass. I never said we should force anyone to vaccinate, rush vaccines through without verifying its effectiveness and safety etc. If it takes until 2022 or 2023 to get this done, so be it. It will ultimately be the health authorities who sign off on this

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So when it’s not known or consensus medical and possibly wrong, do you just “go along” then?

Why not hold out and wait for more evidence? You do have the right to protest beyond legal grounds at such time too.

Someone did and it got zapped rather quickly.

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Good discussion all around, won’t drag this out any further. Would much rather talk football

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Good point!

This is not the place for your views on freedom and science. Please stick to the topic.

GuelphCatsFan

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Labour Day, and no game. Cancelled season really hitting home. Tried to watch the college game yesterday, but was something like 34-0 when I tuned in, and couldn’t get into it.

Maybe this will be the year I get back to watching some NFL. Chiefs had an exciting playoff run, and the Brady story might be interesting. We’ll see?

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Well Palmer, there are some other interesting stories going on in other sports that may interest you. The Raptors are tied 2-2 in the second round of the NBA playoffs, hockey is going strong, and the Blue Jays (surprisingly enough) are in a playoff position by being second-place in the American League East division. Oddly enough, the starting infielders (Shaw, Bichette, Biggio, and Geurerro) are all second-generation MLB players. Heck - Bo Bichette's dad Dante is now a team coach.

Thanks DCF, good suggestions, but not like watching Speedy B, breaking free, and blazing down the sideline to take a 40 yard bomb for the TD. And last night I watched a clip of Neil Diamond singing “Sweet Caroline” while the crowd did the “ba-ba-ba” and “so good, so good, so good” refrains. Made me pine for Tim Horton Field😉.

Been watching hockey, on and off, a few innings of the Jays, here and there, but don’t follow B-ball at all. Just missing my Cats.

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I don’t get the Neil Diamond chant in other stadiums. It belongs to the Red Sox fandom. Team should get their own song chants to identify themselves distinctly from the Boston faithful

Hamilton should use a Rush song like “Limelight” or “Tom Sawyer” since the late Neil Peart was from the local area

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and Rush was the second rock concert ever at Ivor Wynne.