Cap impeachment for 2013

If you are a GM this season do you intentionally go over cap?

I know that ideally you want to be just under cap by season end, with at least 150K to look at NFL cuts and allow for injury.
The first tier (100k) allows wiggle room if you have a big injury and need to bring someone in.

This season is a bit different though. Every GM knows the cap will be taking a bump for 2014...how much we do not know, but it is likely at very minimum 500K up.

I have seen several bigger names getting contract extensions (Richardson, London, Bowman...though as a FA...Argos got Washington, Lions Marsh, Ianuzzi, etc). As a GM a heads-up move would have been signing some of the bigger names knowing darned the Cap is going up. You end up with a bit of a discount, and in an expansion year secure some of your talent.

If I am in there, I would want to be 90-99,999K over by season end this year. I know it is a little underhanded, but the long term rewards are big. Basically, any of the guys that I foresee 'Protecting' in the expansion draft I would be upping contracts in effort to keep them at discount for a few seasons.

FA season will be interesting for 2014, because the new CFLPA contract will be unlikely to be signed, Ottawa will be looking for, well, everything...and the Cap simply won't likely be known. I would imagine a pile of guys will be riding out FA for a longer time...secure it now GMs!

With all of these signings it appears it may be impossible for some to make it under the cap but who knows as we that knowledge is top secret. With the players allowing for a super low cap in the last CBA because they knew if not that the league could go under. Now it is payday. there will still be no Millionaies but should see more guys makeing over 100K a raise in the minimum and a nice bumb 500K to 1 million in 2014 will give teams breathing room and then they can go back to the small icraments of a raise each year.
Some players may be signing contracts that are low in year one and have a bonus clause for 2014 for making the team when the cap is raised so they may not need to go over the cap but I think this year a team will be more likely to pay the small penalty for 1st time offenders as I do not think that any team has ever gone over.
Again though we will never know what each player is getting paid for Canadian National security reasons.

Ottawa is going to be back in the league drafting next year and going over the cap can mean forfieting draft picks.

After the expansion draft, there is going to be a a huge need to draft top canadian talent as Ottawa is going to be pillaging the rosters of Canadian depth. If you forfiet picks now by going over, you are shooting your team in the foot, possibly for the next few years.

What exactly is the penalty for first time offenders. I know they are fined $$$ but are draft picks lost for 1st time offenders?

There is nothing wrong with going over the current SMS.

If you go over the max. cap, there will be /is a penalty,whether you are a first time offender or not.

Excess of up to $100,000. Teams are fined one dollar for every dollar exceeded.

Excess between $100,000 and $300,000. Teams are fined two dollars for every dollar exceeded plus loss of first round choice. Montreal lost their first round choice in 2008,since they were in excess by a little more than $100,000 for the 2007 season. Hamilton was awarded the Als selection and drafted WR Samuel Giguere.

Beyond $300,000. Teams are fined three dollars for every dollar exceeded plus they lose their first two draft selections.

No team will go beyond the max.cap on purpose.

Richard

Are you applying that "if you're willing to suffer the penalty, then you're not breaking the rules" mentality?

hey, I am not saying blow over the 3rd tier or anything and lose drafts...IMO doing that, especially intentionally, is nuts. I am saying tier 1

the first tier is there essentially for the intangibles of more than average injuries. over 100K is where you start losing drafts. if halfway through the season you're budget is looking good, why not sign a few of those potential FAs and go over the cap (but still under 100K over)? You bypass the FA season, and likely get the player on a discount, because once that cap inevitably goes up for 2014 a player who you might sign for 90k under the present cap will be getting over 100K under the new cap.

Kind of like pay per use. the first 99 999.99 breach may be worth it if a team is doing well financially. If I am Saskatchewan or Edmonton. I'd use the advantage. Especially Saskatchewan with them hosting the GC.

Its like a speeding ticket...

Yeah, this is my point.
Is it shady...yup.
Does it give you a leg up...yup

using the speeding ticket analogy...a person getting by payday to payday can't afford it, but someone with money...it sucks but an isolated incident is not a huge burden...erm, unless you live in Finland I guess.

But it's still wrong. That's why you get a ticket.

I think that teams this year will push closer to the salary cap and not leave that buffer 150K or so to sign NFL late cuts and just take the risk of going over the cap a bit if it only means a $$$ penalty with the knowing that the extra money will be there already in 2014

Absolutely. But for some they might be more willing pay that fine this season, looking at the long term.

Yeah, this is my point.
Is it shady…yup.
Does it give you a leg up…yup

using the speeding ticket analogy…a person getting by payday to payday can’t afford it, but someone with money…it sucks but an isolated incident is not a huge burden…erm, unless you live in Finland I guess.
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Pretty much, It only becomes a burden when you hit the 100k mark as it starts to impact your draft. Think about it, the teams gave more than 100k a piece last year to Toronto and Hamilton…

Pretty much, It only becomes a burden when you hit the 100k mark as it starts to impact your draft. Think about it, the teams gave more than 100k a piece last year to Toronto and Hamilton...
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That money was supposed to go towards promotion but it could have freed up other money to pay players and put them on the IR. They got to keep two new QB prospects in Trevoer Harris and Zack Callaros wit Calaros going on the (game IR

Here's the link

http://cfl.ca/page/game_salary_man

1st time, 100th time...makes no difference. It is all on how much you go over
<100,000...dollar for dollar
100,000-300,000...dollar x 2 + 1st pick

300,000...dollar x 3 + 1st 2 picks

That money was supposed to go towards promotion but it could have freed up other money to pay players and put them on the IR. They got to keep two new QB prospects in Trevoer Harris and Zack Callaros wit Calaros going on the (game IR
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With all the money that flowed into the Argos last year. It would be impossible to know. As far as I can understand that money was not "all spent" many initiatives span over years :wink:

Would I be planning to go over the SMS before the season even starts um...
NOOOOO!! lol.

That's horrible planning, ideally you want to be planning your top 46 salaries to be under the 4.4M cap, preferably building a cushion of $100K+ so that way you have wiggle room during the season to make moves/short term IR or if you have the extra space at the end of the season(after Ottawa expansion draft) you can re-sign guys and give them a big bonus to get you to 4.4M spent for the 2013 season.

If you don't allow that cushion you're in trouble of either not being able to re-sign guys or being in trouble like MTL and lose out on a 1st round pick.

That being said if any other team wants to go over the cap go right for it, lose all those draft picks and lose your TV $$ to the league. the first 100K is a luxury tax, if teams want to go over they can, HOWEVER the Argos/Ti-Cats should not be allowed to go over that cap without losing extra picks seeing as the league gave them 500K each for marketing last year so it's like they took money from the other teams to use against them.

As for the whole FA question on 2014 it could go either way, teams will be setup with lot's of cap space for 2014 so a lot of guys may wait it out until FA OR a lot teams could be re-signing more guys before FA. It all depends how teams end up using that extra cap space to re-sign FA's or to give key guys going into their option year extensions.

As I said...if by midway or so finances looked good...of course you are not blowing the cap in game one...tather looking at shoring a few guys up prior to season's end.

I also said this exact same thing:

this whole conversation has been clearly based on the <100k tier...you don't lose drafts...period...like you say, a luxury tax.
As for the teams that receive extra funding but still go over, I would agree that should not be tolerable