is he not in a position that all cfl players are hoping for? I’m just saying there’s way worse things than being Bo Smith right now. And one would be, being Chris Davis.
All CFL players? I don’t know about that. I know the money in the NFL is 100x what it is in the CFL, but that doesn’t mean every player wants to play there.
But just because Bo Smith has signed with the Jets doesn’t mean he’s better than Chris Davis. Financially, sure. Talent-wise, I don’t think so.
Bo did have some bad games, a brutal game against the Peg, but overal he held his own all year and won a game for in BC by returning a pick for a td and shut down Calgary's receivers both times we playted them.
He did a lot of good things and was a solid guy in the community, too bad so many in Hamilton have this wild west mob mentallity and want to lynch a guy every time they make a mistake.
I’ll stick by it and say that all/majority of CFL players would rather be in the NFL.
I dont know what to say about the talent part other than NFL talent scouts, Obie and the ticats coaching staff all saw more good than bad with Bo Smith (and enough bad to get rid of Chris Davis) and I’d say they know more about football talent than you do.
Geoff Tisdale returned a pick for a td against BC, nice try though
Bo’s only INT’s came 1) against Toronto, think it was the LDC 2) against Winnipeg when we were getting killed, he made a very nice pick.
Other than that he got burned countless time’s and you can’t have receiver’s beating your DB’s %90 of the time if you hope to win games.
I noticed it said that even he was surprised that the Jets called him.
I am so tired of reading this. Just because a group of people happen to see bad in a player doesn’t mean there is some mob mentality. I am more than capable of forming my own opinion on players, and from where I sat in 2009 (which was in section 8, if you care to know) Bo Smith was an atrocious DB for the Cats.
Our D was good in spite of Smith’s terrible play. He wasn’t the only guy out there in coverage.
Yes, because talent evaluators are never wrong. Every high draft pick goes on to be a star, every free agent signing works perfectly, and no one who wasn’t drafted ever makes it in pro sports.
You can thank our DL and LB’s for making us great.
If you noticed at all, Obie named our 2 major weaknesses as KR and DB.Would a secondary as good as you seem to remember need an overhaul?And I was talking about Smith getting burned %90 of the season, not %90 of each game.If you feel it help’s your arguments to jump on every BS stat I throw out there, be my guest.Just also try to describe why you think he’s good…If you can that is.
Lol i dont think he's great, I just dont think he's the most brutal db we've ever had and overal i think as a unit they did a good job (mainly because i'm so use to teams marching up and down the field on us the last decade)
I agree, our D played better.And it will play even better this year with Smith gone and Shivers, Poole and Dennis in.Hopefully Smith stays south for a while or we release him if he comes back lol.Our secondary would be 10x better off without him.
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Yes, because talent evaluators are never wrong. Every high draft pick goes on to be a star, every free agent signing works perfectly, and no one who wasn't drafted ever makes it in pro sports.
a high draft pick doesn't have to do good for the scouts to be right, they pick them all. Same with the free agent signing's there done by Obie and the coaches. These guys know football real well, that's all I'm saying.
I don’t disagree that these guys know what they are doing, but you made it seem like they are infallible. I trust the staff here to make the right calls, but no one’s perfect.
How? by saying they no more about how to do there job then you do. Chris Davis is all the proof you need to see that there not infallible.
My point is that A number of people see something good in Bo Smith, at least enough that he hasn’t been cut by three teams in one year like Chris Davis so why say he has less talent.
You used the old argument that “they know more than you” to try to prove your point. It’s a tired and useless point. Of course they know more, they are hired to do this stuff for a living. That doesn’t mean that someone sitting in the peanut gallery can’t have a difference of opinion. If we were only supposed to agree with the evaluations of the talent evaluators this would be a pretty quite message board.
I’m not the type to vilify a player easily. I still stand behind Quinton Porter when a lot of people are calling for his head. With Bo Smith, I saw a player who looked more than over-matched. I haven’t seen a player play that poorly, yet still keep his job, in a long time. Casey Printers didn’t even get that long of a leash and he was a former MOP for Christ’s sake.
Being cut doesn’t prove a thing. Players get cut all the time before they land in the right situation and then take off. Davis’s problem, at least I don’t think, is talent. He was one of our leading receivers when he was cut last year. Plenty of talented people get cut for reasons other than that they are no good. Sometimes it’s a money thing. Sometimes it’s an attitude thing. I think Chris Davis is better at what he does than Bo Smith is at what he does. Could I be proven wrong? Sure. Based on what I’ve seen, I don’t think I am. But there is always the possibility for changing an opinion. We’ll both likely get a chance to see Bo Smith in action when he is inevitably cut by the Jets and comes back to Hamilton.
What can I say?
You said Bo Smith has no talent I argued he does cause people who’s job it is to evaluate that trait say so, you called my argument useless(attitude that serves to fuel a QUIET!! messageboard) Then you say you stand behind Porter which boggles my mind since he has had many worse experiences than Bo smith and has done a horrible job of learning anything from his mistakes. So I don’t know what to say anymore and since you won’t try to make an actual case for why Bo is less talented than Davis and since I dont like posting this much uhh I guess you win and Bo Smith is way less talented than Davis.
I think there has been some miscommunication here. You’re argument is valid. You are entitled to your opinion and I respect it. I just find the old “the team knows better than the fans” argument to be somewhat pointless. We can all agree that the guys who work tirelessly to evaluate players know more than even the most knowledgeable of fans.
In Bo Smith I saw a player who made mistake after mistake. He was a liability on the field. Teams would target him. I can’t remember which game it was, but the opposing QB just kept throwing to whatever WR Smith was covering. That showed me that teams didn’t respect his skills. It would seem that the game plan was to exploit the weakness in the Ti-Cats secondary, and that weakness looked to be Bo Smith.
With Chris Davis, while he developed the case of the dropsies AND would celebrate even the most routine of catches (which gets old very quickly), he was less of a liability, IMO, than Smith was. He made some big catches, and had very good stats upon his release. He was far from an All Star, but he was more than serviceable. I can’t say the same about Bo Smith.
Last season I heard plenty of people rip Smith when he would make a mistake, but as soon as he signed with the Jets he somehow morphed into the second coming of Deion Sanders. Bo Smith wasn’t the worst player to ever wear a Ti-Cats uniform or anything, but he wasn’t the future Hall of Famer that some (not saying you) made him out to be once he got that magical NFL contract.
The reason I still support Porter is because I still see in him all the necessary tools to become a top-flight CFL QB. He still has a ways to go, but unlike Smith (and Davis too for that matter) I still see star potential in him.
So, aside from the fact that others see something in Bo Smith, what makes you think he’s better than Chris Davis? Remember, Davis has been signed when he’s free, so teams must see something in him too.