Argos - Esks: Was the Blue Team robbed?

It's not like an Argo loss is a bad thing but I want their losses to be legit.

What do you think about the situation with the time clock?

I think they were robbed and that some homer was trying to give his team the game.

Yes, I know it's the official time scorers job to handle the time, etc... but that stinks! The player rely on looking at the clock to see how much time is left... how can we play a game where the players are certain that the time shown is actually the correct time? Is this soccer all of a sudden? Now the half is over whenever the officials feel like it?

I'm all for an Argo's loss but this stinks.

Imagine if they did this to the Tiger-Cats? We'd be ticked off!

Looks like 2011 is going to remembered as the year for bad officiating in all sports. there has been at least 3 bad calls by mlb umpires that have decided games this year. Dave Stala's penalty, 2 suspect interfernce calls in the bc game.

Forgive me OP, but I think I'm missing your point. Didn't the officials get this one right?

Yes but it was all started by one of the refs spinning his flag above his head. That signifies the half or the game over.

They SAY they got it right.

How do we know what the official score clock actually said? The game clock showed 00:00 and an official called an end to the half.

Toronto players make their way to the dressing room and then suddenly the official time keeper says there's still 00:01 on the clock. Pretty convenient if you ask me. If it were the Blue team that was on the brink of scoring would that same play take place???? I doubt it.

Just put yourself in their shoes. If this happened to the Tiger-Cats we'd be fuming! Thankfully there are only 13 Argo's fans in all of Toronto so not much of an uproar took place.

I think this was a ridiculous call. Video replay is one thing but the referee should be in charge of the game. And when you factor that these 3 downs happened in six seconds it is OBVIOUS the clock was not controlled properly on one or both previous plays. I'd be really curious to see the time clock to whistle syncro of the first two goal line tries.

There is no way to run 3 running plays in 6 seconds with human officiating. I'm sorry.

That is absolutely correct. I went back and watched the first of the three plays, which started with the TSN clock (not the official clock, admittedly) showing five seconds remaining. I timed it -- from snap to whistle was four seconds. Yet two more plays were run after that and there was allegedly still time on the clock before the third. The Argos apparently complained to the ref that the clock did not run at all, or started late, on at least one of the plays.

This would not be the first time in history that hometown timekeepers have been too slow to start or stop a clock, but I'd like the league to explain who it was that overrruled the ref's decision that the half was over, and on what basis.

The whistle was blown, but the stadium clock was allowed to run to 0:00 - this is not poor officiating, the official scorer and instant replay got this one right! Perhaps if Toronto didnt jump offside on 2nd down, the clock would have been blown in sooner and the play would have been the final one of the half.

Believe what you want. This is the first time in 30 years of watching football that I see 3 running plays run in 6 seconds the whole thing is joke. Not to mention that the flag was flown, the half was over, you can not add time to a half or a game that has been ENDED but of course it wasn't your team who was had right :wink:

That's what I saw on the highlights. The replay showed that the whistle blew before time expired.I don't know what happened before that, though, but there should have been time left on the clock.

:thup: Bingo

First two took about 4.5 seconds. No problem with that, and in the CFL you can get a play off with no time on the clock.

Just watched the last minute on TSN.ca's video on demand, and it seems kosher to me. Good job by the officials. Broadcasters didn't seem to have problem with it either, and even Duane Forde was commenting on how the Argos were "selling" the fact that time had apparently expired.

Good! They suck.

Oh, oh.
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Am I reading this wrong, or is clock administration not reviewable under the rules in this case?

[b](g) Game Administration[/b] Instant replay can be used for timing, downs and distance only in conjunction with a reviewable play. Situations involving the clock; penalty administration; spotting the ball other than for first down; etc. are not reviewable. When reviewing a play, the Referee may change the ruling on any reviewable aspect of the play
[url=http://www.cfl.ca/uploads/assets/CFL/PDF_Docs/CFL_Rule_Book_2011.pdf]http://www.cfl.ca/uploads/assets/CFL/PD ... k_2011.pdf[/url]

And this week, a similar situation at the end of the half, but this time, it was the Argh-hos ball, and no call from the timekeeper to say that there was still time left. I know the clock that TSN was showing in their replays was not the official clock (or was it?), but according to that clock, there was still a second left in the half when Kackert stepped out of bounds.

So were they robbed again this week?

Of course, Barker’s reaction, chewing out his rookie runningback in public instead of yelling at the officials (and then chewing out his RB in the locker room), probably wasn’t an inspired choice.

I think this is the key point. The details of what had been on the clock and how much time each of the running plays took should be immaterial. If the officials ruled that the half was over, what window of time, if any, are they permitted to reverse that decision? What if the teams came out for the second half and the officials said: "we got it wrong earlier, so well start by playing the final few seconds of the first half down at the Toronto goal line". Where do you draw the line for reversing that kind of call? For every play that doesn't end a half or game, it is established that once another play has been run, the previous play is immutable. I would think that once the officials declare the half or game over, the half or game should also be immutable.