Arena Football League plans relaunch in 2024

First XFL 3.0 (or 3.5) then USFL coming to a gridiron field near you....

I think this will be 3.0. 16 teams playing in the summer.

I would be ready to dust of my old Toronto Phantoms jersey but there's a logistical challenge with that which I'll let others guess what it is :wink:

Let's see where this goes


Wow. It’s becoming impossible to keep track of all the leagues out there. They can’t all succeed can they? Or is TV that desperate for live content?

I believe I will continue to watch only NFL and CFL.


Does the logistical challenge have anything to do with clothing that magically shrinks while hanging in your closet?

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Not quite that. Though the moths would have had a feast.

Hint: The moths are hungry lol

Interesting that they're choosing to play in summer. I'd think games played indoors would make the season more suitable for late-winter/early-spring.

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I think it has more to do with arena availability. I wonder if they'll try and recruit NHL or NBA owners for teams. It will cost less to operate and be a nice tax write off.

If all of the sudden we hear CFL-AFL talking about talking then this could get real interesting :wink:


I was a huge AFL fan before the shutdown in 08 and attended the last 3 "real" Arena Bowls. Went to a couple dozen Philadelphia Soul games and Atlantic City Blackjack games from 2010 to the final shutdown in 2019, and while fun at times, the game just never really recovered from the lost season of 09. If there's a team locally I'm sure I'll attend some games, but unless the quality is close to the 02-08 levels, I doubt I'll be too invested in it.


How are they going to set themselves apart from the leagues listed below is what I want to know.

Indoor Football League (IFL)
National Arena League (NAL)
Champions Indoor Football (CIF)

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I wonder, will anybody ever live in 20204? :slight_smile:

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I guess not

Thanks for catching that... fixed

Though I can a delay in the launch closer to 20204 :slight_smile:

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Folks will still be talking about how the CFL is on its last legs.


only if those legs are made of petrified wood :slight_smile:

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Add "Fan-Controlled Football".

All these spring or summer leagues of course cannot succeed, but of course indoor arena ball is a different game than full gridiron.

The shorter-field football leagues will find their niche, but the fact that there looks like in 2024 there will be at least five of them now is most telling.

No way do I see that there that much niche interest by fans in either football or smaller towns off-season to support them all or even three of the five.

On the flip side, I do feel that the league that allies itself best with any given entertainment outfit associated with sports betting may be the game changer when they profit indirectly from any given such partnership or sponsor.

There is a whole massive lot of bettors out there with a whole new generation who seek to bet on gridiron or arena football all year instead of merely on other sports in the gridiron off-season as in bygone times.


I'm guessing/hoping they go back to their roots and use the nets, Ironman football, and most importantly, pay a decent wage. Those other 3 leagues pay players between $100-300 a game. At the AFL's height of popularity, star players like Tony Graziani, Chris Jackson, and Aaron Garcia could pull $200-300k a year w/incentives. That's probably being a bit ambitious this go round, but a 20 man roster with $750k salary cap would make the league a bit more legit.


I can see the new AFL re-absorbing some of the IFL and NAL franchises depending on the legitimacy of this group. Apparently its financers are 2 Toronto businessmen, Anthony Rossi and Chris Chetty. The NAL is basically on its last legs, though the IFL has some strong franchises, especially Vegas, Arizona, and Sioux Falls.


You would know probably best here on the forum given your experience here, but how do you see or feel about the new generation of fans, as in about under 35, as compared to the heyday that ended in 2008 with the Great Recession back then?

Right now we are jittery economic ground of course, but it's also a pattern that various smaller sports leagues pop up in times of relative prosperity or improvement and then of course cannot weather the storms of life such as the Great Recession that began in late 2007 out West in the US or the pandemic that launched in March 2020 and is still hanging around in various spots.

Cross our fingers now, for this is the best start to a year since 2020.


Looks like this thing is happening…again

Tune in Tuesday

It’s like I said before, what’s happening is the football market is becoming saturated. What ends up happened is fans say there are to many leagues, Im only going to watch the top league.The CFL ends up being irrelevant in the U.S.


I don’t think that this can be put in the same category as the CFL/XFL/USFL - these things are T-Shirt leagues that exist to sell T Shirts when the hockey team is not playing. Indoor football leagues come and go in a perpetual alphabet soup of new leagues, existing leagues and dead leagues.


It depends. If the league came back with real ownership of groups like Casey Wasserman, Dan Devos, Ted Leonis, Arthur Blank, Ron Jaworski, etc. They could be a force to be reckoned with. Smallish rosters of 20 players at $50k each for a 12 game season is only $1 million in player salaries. A fraction of what the XFL and USFL are paying. Rent would be much cheaper, especially if Dan Gilbert were to own the Cleveland franchise again as he also owns the Cleveland arena. So basically money just transfers from one hand to the other.

However, I don’t think we’re going to be seeing the Arena league circa 2000-2008, this will be more akin to the dying days of 2017-2019