2015 Draft - Buckly & Yantz

Kudos to these to going into the combine at their natural position.

With current roster rules, I wonder what team would spend a pick on a player who for all intents and purposes, doesn’t count as a National?

Short answer: None.

Not familiar with the details on these guys, but both list a Canadian hometown. Assume they grew up in the States and don't currently fit the new "National" eligibility rules. Could it be that they are in the process of applying for citizenship and could have it before signing a CFL contract, which I believe would qualify them?

If not, they are likely just trying to "show their wares" and hope a CFL team signs them, not drafts them.

QB is a position for which national/international status is no advantage, so if they warrant it a team could look at them as a development project; they have the advantage of background in the Canadian game. The camp also allows them to demonstrate their physical/general athletic ability to show teams if they have the potential worthy of a team signing them with plans to switch them to another position.

Well, rostering a National who actually saw some degree of action (say being the short yardage guy) would create a fair amount of buzz, and buzz equates to money. Also, I tend to think a lot of teams are starting to watch Canadian QBs, because it won't be that much longer before there is some sort of rule change that will benefit clubs that have them. Too many fans are asking for something for it to be ignored forever.

Google, much? :slight_smile:

Rare opportunity for Canadian quarterback Jordan Yantz
Ken Wiebe, Winnipeg Sun May 30, 2014

Can Jordan Yantz be the rare Canadian quarterback that doesn’t have to actually switch positions to nail down a spot on a CFL roster?

The answer won’t be available until next year, but the man who is preparing for his final season of college eligibility this fall with the University of Manitoba Bisons doesn’t sound like he’s afraid to pick up the mantle.

Nor is he intimidated about what figures to be an uphill battle, given the checkered recent history that included Brad Sinopli serving as the third-string pivot for the Calgary Stampeders in 2011 before he was converted to receiver.

For now, Yantz is content to be picking up all he can during his invite to Winnipeg Blue Bombers’ training camp, which officially opens Sunday after rookie camp concluded on Friday afternoon at Investors Group Field.

“We’re hoping for the best and to just keep riding with it,? said Yantz, a Canada West All-star with the Bisons in 2013 after throwing for 2,474 yards and a CIS-best 25 touchdowns. “At the end of the day, it’s an opportunity that not many people get to do. It’s something that I’m excited about.?

Yantz didn’t hesitate when asked about the best advice he received going into rookie camp.

“Don’t hang your head. There are going to be ups-and-downs and the playbook is going to be twice the size of what you’re used to. Attack it with full approach,? said Yantz. “And like coaches always say, you don’t want to screw up going half speed, screw up going full speed and make your corrections after. Just make sure that you always finish. Always try to get better. I want to learn more about the game.?

Blue Bombers head coach Mike O’Shea was asked about the lack of Canadian quarterbacks being developed in the CFL.

“I’ve got lots of thoughts on that. But that’s a large conversation, a hotly-debated conversation. I think there will be Canadian quarterbacks that play in the CFL before my time is done,? said O’Shea. “Having said that, my job as a head coach is to put the best team on the field and we will not give anybody a job based on any other criteria other than do you make our team better. At this point, Jordan Yantz looks really good and he doesn’t look out of place.

“I don’t think he’s shocked anybody. When we watched him on film, we saw a strong-armed kid who knew how to play the game. He’s right in there, keeping pace.?

Yantz did play some receiver in high school and realizes that he needs to keep an open mind when it comes to a possible future in the CFL.

I love my position and I love playing quarterback,? said Yantz, who attended training camp with the B.C. Lions in 2012 and 2013.. “But after I’m done this year with the Bisons, if there was someone to approach me and say, hey would you like to try a new position? Absolutely. I’m the type of guy where I’ll attack anything that’s put in front of my face and go at it full speed. I’m willing to do anything like that.?

Calgary QB Andrew Buckley named Hec Crighton winner
Dinos’ star player wins Hec Crighton Trophy as the country’s top college football player.
Curtis Rush Toronto Star Nov 27 2014

University of Calgary Dinos quarterback Andrew Buckley, who was a dynamic threat as both a passer and runner this season, has been named the winner of the Hec Crighton Trophy as the nation’s top college football player.

The announcement was made at a gala awards presentation Thursday night in Montreal, where the Vanier Cup game will be played on Saturday between the McMaster University Marauders and the University of Montreal Carabins at Percival Molson Memorial Stadium (1 p.m., Sportsnet).

Buckley won the Hec Crighton despite the fact he had to fight for his position in training camp, finally beating out 2012 Canada West most valuable player Eric Dzwilewski.

“It’s pretty cool,? said Buckley. “It’s such a huge honour.

“This is going to go down as one of the best days in my life because it’s so significant and it means so much to my family. It’s always a challenge. During the season, football is my priority and that’s where I spent most of my time, but I try to fill my free time up with community stuff and school and trying to focus on being the best student-athlete I can be.?

Buckley was at the controls of the country’s most powerful offence as the Dinos became the first team in Canada West history to break the 5,000-mark in total offence.

Buckley had a 64.3 completion percentage, 2,175 yards in passing and 18 touchdowns while throwing only four interceptions, fewer than any other QB in Canada West.

Buckley also ran effectively, finishing fifth in Canada West rushing with 510 yards, the most of any quarterback in the country. His 10.6 yards-per-carry average was the best in Canada for any position and his 10 rushing touchdowns were the second highest among all CIS players.

“Very few quarterbacks have been able to pass and run as effectively as Andrew Buckley,? Dinos head coach Blake Nill said.

Buckley took the Dinos to a 7-1 record and the No. 2 national ranking for all but the final two top-10 polls of the season.

He led the Dinos to a spot in the Western final, where they were defeated 27-15 by the University of Manitoba Bisons, who captured the Hardy Cup.

Buckley played the equivalent of just 6.25 games after the Dinos built up early leads and turned the controls over to the backup QB.

“There is no question his stats would have been greater had he played more,? coach Nill said.

This marks the eighth straight year that a quarterback has won the Hec Crighton, an award that was won last year by Jordan Heather of the Bishop’s Gaiters and in 2012 by McMaster’s Kyle Quinlan.

Buckley becomes the fourth Dino to capture the Hec Crighton following quarterback Greg Vavra (1983), receiver Don Blair (1995) and QB Erik Glavic (2009).

In winning the Hec Crighton, the 6-foot, 201-pound Buckley beat out three other nominees in Wilfrid Laurier running back Dillon Campbell, Acadia inside receiver Brian Jones and quarterback Hugo Richard of Laval.

The fourth-year pivot was a double winner as he also captured the Russ Jackson Award, which is presented to the player who best exemplifies the attributes of academic achievement, football skill and citizenship.

Buckley, an honours kinesiology student who hopes to follow his father’s footsteps as an orthopedic surgeon, has been involved in several research studies. He volunteers time to provide companionship to two Alzheimer’s parents and he travelled to Guatemala in 2011 for a two-week humanitarian trip.

Buckley was also named to the CIS (Canadian Interuniversity Sport) first all-star team as the Dinos dominated with six first-team all-stars and three named to the second team.

Quarterback is the Jackie Robinson position in Canadian football, the final frontier, the four minute mile. Who will be the one to break that barrier? Remember there were blacks in baseball years before Robinson, same as Canadian quarterbacks in the CFL.

Who will play the Branch Rickey role? I tend to think it will be Kyle Walters with Mike O'Shea playing the role of Burt Shotton. Despite the quote from Osh (in the Yantz article) I think he and Walters may have a little pro-Canadian chip on their shoulders. They are the only managerial tandem from a Canadian university and may have something to prove and will give Yantz a break.

I also tend to think it has to be a QB from the CIS and not some small NCAA school to have an impact. A Luc Tousignant won't cut it for me. Actually surprised to read he was drafted by the Buffalo Bills.

If CIS players are being drafted into the NFL or leaving after two years in the CFL, a Canadian QB should happen, if the will is there. Every year there is speculation about at least one guy, unfortunately the last big name, Kyle Quinlan didn't feel he'd get a fair chance which is a shame in your own country's league.

Misread the initial post as referring to them being non-nationals rather than that as QBs if they are drafted and make a team at that position the team has garnered no ratio advantage from the pick.

My humblest apologies.

Who will be the one to break that barrier? What are you talking about!!It was broken 50 years ago. Canadians played key roles and QB's in CFL. Due to improvement and standards of training one must commit a life time to developing. Like playing in the USA colleges with great coaching and training techniques. Also High School. Like we do in Hockey.
Playing 9 university games a year with marginal players just won't do it. Got to go south unfortunately.

No, you don't "got to go down south" anymore. The CIS football programs are much more professionally run than they were 20 years ago. When I read articles about Doug Flutie extolling the virtues of the CFL, that was 20 years ago and the Canadian college player has improved significantly. So much to the point that within the last few years many have attended NFL camps straight out of CIS, but this year a few have made the team.

Canadian QBs have been attending CFL camps before their draft year to gain familiarity and experience.

And, obviously I know Canadian QBs have played in the CFL but it has been over 30 years since the last Canadian regularly played at QB. There have been several who have got in a few games Greg Vavra, Bob Torrence, but someone please correct me if Gerry Dattilio wasn't the last Canadian QB to have a full time starter's job over a full season.

A little out of date but still useful info

Canadian quarterbacks remain illusive quality in the CFL
Mike Beamish Canada.com June 2, 2013

VANCOUVER — The Canadian Football League, bless its soul, offers a reassuring narrative that homegrown players can compete on a level playing field. One has only to look at the sweep of history to know that it is true.

From Lionel Conacher to Joe Krol, from Russ Jackson, Jim Young, Terry Evanshen and Ray Elgaard to Andy Fantuz, Jon Cornish and Andrew Harris, the CFL offers ennobling examples of Canadian players fulfilling their potential once given the chance.

And yet, as one of the rare Canadians to take regular snaps as a quarterback in the CFL, Frank Cosentino still rails against the bleak reality for the second-class citizen that is the Canadian QB.

Cosentino turned 76 on May 22, but the notorious foot-dragging in trusting Canadians at football’s greatest position of responsibility still grates on him.

A backup quarterback and sometimes starter in the CFL during the 1960s with the Hamilton Tiger-Cats, Edmonton Eskimos and Toronto Argonauts, he retired in 1969, the same year that Russ Jackson, the great star of the Ottawa Rough Riders, thinned the ranks of Canadian quarterbacks by going into teaching full-time.

Five decades later, Cosentino has seen few redemptive examples where the bias against Canadian quarterbacks is changing, save for the all-American wall that was breached temporarily by Gerry Dattilio (Montreal Alouettes, Calgary Stampeders) and Greg Vavra (Stamps) in the 1980s.

“Hard to believe, but since the 1970 season, a ‘non-import,’ i.e. Canadian quarterback, has been a rarity, if not a non-existent part of the Canadian Football League,? Cosentino said, from his home in Eganville, Ont. “‘Non-import’ in this case is short form for ‘not important.'?

Whatever the reason — and there are various explanations — the cause of the Canadian quarterback took a step back this week when Hec Crighton Trophy winner Kyle Quinlan decided to pack in a pro career, at its beginning, abandoning the Alouettes to accept a part-time coaching position at his alma mater, McMaster University.

The more he thought about standing on the sidelines as a third-string QB, a glorified clipboard holder waiting for a chance that may never come, the less the idea appealed to him, Quinlan told Scott Radley of the Hamilton Spectator. At 24, Quinlan’s dream of playing as a professional quarterback in the CFL is dead.

In Regina, Marc Mueller, grandson of the late Ron Lancaster, a two-time winner as the CFL’s most outstanding player, has packed in his pro aspirations and is also turning to coaching with his former college team, the University of Regina Rams. Mueller, also 24, went three-for-three in his only quarterback appearance for the Eskimos, in a pre-season game two years ago.

In Calgary, Brad Sinopoli, another Hec Crighton Trophy winner, is being converted to a receiver by the Stampeders. He was the team’s third-string quarterback for all 18 regular season games in the 2011 season and served as the Stamps’ holder for place kicks. With four import quarterbacks at this year’s training camp, however, the Stamps are full at the inn. Yet because Sinopoli is a remarkably talented athlete — much like Quinlan — the feeling in Cowtown is, ‘Why waste it? If he doesn’t fit the mould of what a CFL quarterback should be, let him play somewhere else.’

“An American quarterback is allowed to make mistakes and learn from them,? Cosentino explained. “Coaches look at a Canadian kid and think, ‘I don’t want to waste my time.’ But the only way to gain experience at the position is through making mistakes.?

Cosentino points to the example of Anthony Calvillo to prove his point. In his first four CFL seasons, Calvillo threw more interceptions (60) than touchdown passes (57). Yet, due in large part to Calvillo’s college background at Utah State — an NCAA Division I school — coaches were more inclined to stick with him. They ended up looking like geniuses. Calvillo morphed into pro football’s all-time leading passer with the Alouettes.

“It’s probably an unintentional bias,? Cosentino said. “Canadian coaches used to say the same thing about American hockey players. They didn’t think they could compete. The American kid had to work twice as hard to show that they could play. Once they were given the opportunity, the thinking changed. They turned out to be every bit as good as Canadian hockey players.?

While Cosentino believes Quinlan was deterred by the CFL’s glass ceiling for Canadian QBs, he does laud the league for its affirmative-action sounding Non-import Quarterback Development Program (NQDP), now into its second year, as a step in the right direction.

Eight CIS quarterbacks, all undergrads, are being placed in CFL training camps this month to observe and be mentored in a professional environment.

One of them is Western Ontario’s Will Finch, who will be in the camp of the Grey Cup-champion Toronto Argonauts.

After getting looks from schools such as Boston College and Virginia Tech, the six-foot-three, 218-pound Finch settled on Western, where he could play immediately, rather than be required to go to a pre-college prep school in the States following his graduating high school year in Burlington, Ont. He was an immediate sensation last year in London, throwing four touchdown passes in his first CIS game.

Interestingly, the quarterbacks coach at Western is Jamie Bone, another Hec Crighton Trophy-winning QB. He became a lightning rod for the Canadian quarterback controversy in 1980 when he was released by the Tiger-Cats and contended he was being discriminated against solely because of his nationality. He was proved correct and won a $10,000 judgment from the Ontario Human Rights Commission.

“Frank Cosentino summed it up best,? said Bone, who later got a tryout with the Dallas Cowboys after his Hamilton experience. “There is an unintentional bias against the Canadian quarterback. When Joe Smith from Alabama makes a mistake, it’s part of his learning experience. When Will Finch from Western makes a mistake, it just reinforces doubts that are already there.

“But it (the NQDP) is a step. They’re limited in what they’ll be able to do, but the exposure will help grow the game in Canada. They’ll get an opportunity to be around the most important players on the football field. And some of the coaches who don’t know the CIS, like Dan Hawkins in Montreal, might see some of these kids and think, ‘That Canadian kid’s not bad. He’s OK.'?

Though the snubbing of Canadian QBs indicts the CFL establishment more than any other exclusion, Bone does have some understanding of the dilemma faced by the league’s coaches. Their careers are brief, and rarely are they given the luxury and security to develop players over time.

What’s more, the Canadian quarterback issue has become such an incessant, emotionally charged, hot-button topic for the Canadian football media that it’s a “headache? for any coach who contemplates going against the grain.

“A Canadian quarterback gets signed, and immediately the media starts asking, ‘When’s he going to play?'? Bone said. “The media are helicopter parents, trying to clear the way for their kid. Even if a kid is signed as a quarterback, he’s still probably four years away from playing or starting. It’s a bit of headache for any coach, so they stay clear of it.?

Kevin McDonald, the league’s vice-president of football operations, said there’s no overarching goal to put Canadian quarterbacks on CFL fields, although, if the training camp mentorship program contributes to that end “it would be something fantastic.? A quarterback at Wilfrid Laurier from 1992-96, McDonald accepted that his pro options would be limited upon graduation “but, hopefully, it gives these guys a bit of hunger and an understanding of what it takes to prepare and act like a pro.?

Aware of suggestions the program could be viewed as window dressing and a simply PR move by the league, McDonald insists that it’s not the case.

“Hopefully, the mechanisms are being put in place for somebody to flourish and be successful,? he said.

Bone and Cosentino would like to see the league do more. The former proposes raising the salary cap by $100,000 for an individual team that has a Canadian quarterback on its roster, as a monetary incentive to do so. Cosentino’s proposal: Abolish the “quarterback category? and return to the notion of 20 non-imports, 19 imports, which includes as many quarterbacks as a coach wants, plus three designated imports for special teams.

An extra spot on the practice roster, designated for a developing Canadian QB, is another idea.

Whatever is done to address the paucity of Canadians behind centre, Jordan Yantz hopes it comes soon. The Canadian junior player of the year with the Vancouver Island Raiders, he is back at the camp of the B.C. Lions for the second straight year before he leaves to play for the University of Manitoba Bisons this fall. Yantz’s CFL draft year is 2015.

“I started playing quarterback (in Regina) when I was seven years old,? Yantz said. “I’m still chasing that dream. Hopefully, I’ll catch it.?

While the CFL’s history offers small comfort, this aspiring Canadian passer would like to believe that some change is in the air.

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The reason their not starters is because they are not good enough. Check now many newbie's crack starting line up 2014?

They're not competing against NCAA QBs, they're competing with men who have been in NFL camps or in the NFL a year or two. They could be competitive against NCAA QBs because any advantage an NCAA guy would have would be negated by the Canadian's familiarity with their own game (if the coaches weren't discriminatory). The guys they are really competing against are men with real pro experience, not kids out of the NCAA.

Interesting comment above is that CFL teams are starting to tract Canadian QBs.
There has been some more attention given through actual media and now finally a CFL coach and former QB Anthony C. has become vocal. The Als did start inviting QBs and their coaches to TC for a brief mini session.
AC is now actually leading an official camp of such backed by Montreal for young QBs in Quebec. AC QB Academy.
Vocal in that he thought and would have liked to see both Kyles Quinlan and Graves have been given a spot somewhere on the Als Roster to develop.
Graves Currently still with the Als Converted to WR.
Quinlan is still on the suspended list. After playing a small bit of a pre season game returned to Mac for final season.
Then Trestman went to the Bears and the overhaul coaching staff left a very confusing situation with Quinlan with the new staff hired. Thus felt they were not serious at all.

Just my personal opinion is that still a long shot that neither Buckly or Yantz. Nor Cayman Shutter who attended E-Camp then finished his 2 years of eligibilty for Regina Rams or Kyle Quinlan will get much of a chance from most teams.
Just to make clear. I DONT AGREE WITH THIS TREETMENT, but likely the reality at the current.

Yantz comes with a bit of a unique situation. In that playing and starring at QB for the top VI Raiders BCFC Juniors. He did spend a full camp with the Lions under a CFL rule that had teams to bring in Potential Canadian QBs that would be non counters to the roster as well as eligible to turn pro that season. Yantz did spend the whole camp with the Lions rooming with former VI Raider teamate RB Andrew Harris. Bouno a big proponent of BCFC and Junior Football and uses the old territorial excemption rule on a regular basis every year. With players doubling as PR players moonlighting as playing BCFC on weekends up to players who are on the roster for many roles.
I would wonder if Buono would actually re invite him back to Lions TC and possibily keep him around somewhere within a roster structure spot.

After two seasons in the CIS for Manitoba and being among the top CIS QBs. Bombers new coach Mike O’Shea has quietley recent was said to be a proponent for Canadian QBs, Although the time was not now. So leaving him doubtful that the Bombers would even look.

Buckley I dont think is a or the QB that may get a remote chance to play QB. Again thats just my Opinion.

Shutter has openly said he would like to play QB in the CFL. Unique situation for him as well. grew up in Hawaii since he was 10. got the US training at B every talks about. was A HS all state QB. was a three year top back up at Hawaii. Never got his real shot to play. DUI is final season sealed his fate. Did however graduate from Hawaii that year went to E-Camp. and showed the rifle arm for the Regina Rams. Unfortunate the Rams were in rebuilding mode during his time, post Mueller era.
From Regina Riders showed zero interest and chose Regina Junior Prairie QB just to fill the CFL mandate.

Quinlan certainly I think has the ability. that whole thing left a bad taste in his mouth with the Montreal situation but still is on their suspended list. Spent last two years with MAC as a coach.
Is it possible that he would still be interested. Could AC persuade Popp to expand his plan and give AC a Canadian QB with a minimum salary and place said QB on the 6 game IR at let AC begin his project to develop said QB during the entire season. If goes well continue with said QB for the next season to progress to the next level as any developent QB would be given. Could/will he make a personal out reach to connect and seriously talk with Quinlan.

For AC and Montreal if Quinlan is not interested. would Popp allow AC to bring a Canadian QB or two to raining camp for the full duration. One or tow that they both decide would be the best fit. Then allow AC the same minimum contract for said QB with a place on the 6 game IR to begin his development.

Again MY Personal Opinion would be of Quinlan, Shutter, and Yantz. Buckley may have it as well.
I personally would like to see all four get a roster spot on the 6 game to develop, since there is no special existing spot that AC has requested should become into effect during next CBA.

I dont think 4 teams would do it is the problem. I think/hope that Montreal will do it. Realistically they cant carry all four. One would be a very realistic though. Montreal has carried up to 5 QBs in the recent past.
Also not to say said QB has to remain on the 6 game all season. Just suggesting that it is a possibility and is done on a regular basis with rookie prospect QBs that teams look to develop over stages.

One team, 45K or so, To do the right thing and give a Canadian QB a real extended chance to develop as they would any other QB. Heck Quinlan coming out at the time could easily have been a game day number three and run short yardage during his rookie year.

When you come out of University at 24 or 25 you are a man not a kid. If you can't make it at QB position after 2 or 3 years
as third string you never will. Kids in WHL Try out at 18-20 to make NHL. Some do some don;t but there KIDS.