Free agency (signed players)

Re: Free agency (signed players)

by depopulationINC » Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:30 pm

nowhereman wrote:Jones "said" he's basically going to be a return guy. He also adds a vet presence and stabilizing influence on the sideline and in the locker room.


yeah...I don't mind it in this sense. I don't like that they had to give him cash up front because it was a a choice between Sask and Toronto....but assume it is token because it is apparently in line with last year or pay and he was at 70k

not a huge fan of the signing though. The stability thing is good...he might be a good influence on Carter because Owens is crazy disciplined in regiments...watching he and Bagg in workouts would be a blast.

Owens is not really the returner he once was...but he was having a really big bounce back year last year until he got banged up so who knows...it is not breaking the bank but this one kinda disappoints me they did not bring in a fresh face...but he is a solid character guy so that is a win.

Also...we could be seeing a setup for something shocking here.
it is looking like 3 NI on the OL...potentially 4
1 at RB
1 @ safety
1 @ LB
1 on DL

is it possible we see no NI at WR??? that is 7 or 8 there now and there are a couple rotation options elsewhere and depending on how free agency and Draft pans out we could see a 2nd on the DL. They could be anywhere from 7-10 NI starters depending how stars align if you include WR in there.

Ryan White is actually an important piece of this puzzle. He is a solid player but has been banged up. He lets them move Jones out as the extra man and can actually play OT...if JSJ actually starts there that is a backup. and puts it at 8 ratio guys, 9 with WR and 10 IF they get another on the DL. Could they should people and move Bagg and maybe even Demski in a trade for a QB?? I could see it and it sounds a little crazy but it would actually be a pretty brilliant move. I have heard they are also close on another NI receiver...I am not going to say who that is but it would be someone they could rotate in and build on for the future.

I know this is a stretch
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Re: Free agency (signed players)

by depopulationINC » Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:35 pm

sparkyjay wrote:why would Lemon tweet what he tweeted? re: Dennis signing


ed ohmnes wrote:I guess it's about that sask. Thing, You know, only certain players will come here. Be it the small city, lack of night life , media always in your face , salary restrictions. I mean we don't have the mountains next to us , but there are good reason to play here to , as in after football careers, fans will be right with you, merchandise sales, maybe even get some chips with your name on it, lafrance fries and Dennis dip .



me thinks he is somehow bitter that he was brought in and would not buy into the system and wanted to stay in his comfort zone, then asked to be moved because he didn't want to play along and was sitting because he was being stubborn about it all...I think Lemon tried bluffing Jones to strong arm him into getting things more his way but Jones granted his wish and honored his request to move...taking a pretty big hit in doing so. He is a heck of a player...but he has no reason to be bitter in this
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Re: Free agency (signed players)

by depopulationINC » Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:39 pm

Abendschan wrote:http://www.cfl.ca/players/marc-olivier-brouillette/158167/

I like this addition to the defense in the link above, DB Marc-Oliver Brouillette.
Unconfirmed though


yeah...even though he was an all-star I am not 100% sold on him. He is a solid player so it is hard to go wrong and is a good signing...but the sweetest part on this for me was that it likely takes them out of the Muamba chase at safety

Still a little pissed that they moved picks to pick up guys for back there and did not retain them...and from what I have heard never really tried even though the players were interested. I mean if they are not what you want and can upgrade...as they have...great...but still kinda sucks.


They also signed Aaron Milton...depth guy at RB...but some insurance at the NI backfield.

NI RB really caught me off-guard...I thought Bell was a given.



Still hoping they land Deane and perhaps Cash...Deane would be huge...Cash would be nice but I think they can recruit there. I know they were heavy on Deane yesterday...I think he is waiting to see if the ORBs match.


Also...Gale went to the Stamps.
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Re: Free agency (signed players)

by JimmytheGreek » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:33 pm

I think something is up as far as a package deal for either Franklin or Adams. There has been rumors about Adams being available but Kavis is denying it. Still one has to wonder if he is still ticked he got bumped and also a possibility of yet another qb coming in to even add to the issue.

For a guy that said we wouldn't be active in the FA we sure are bringing in a lot of bodies. Some very solid moves but some like Owens and yet another NI Rb makes me think something is up. Possibly a package deal for either Franklin or Adams? I know Jones has wood for Franklin so how about getting Adams and then package him with possibly Collins and get Franklin. Personally Ive heard that some feel Adams could even be better or as good at least as Franklin so if we could get Adams for less then I would give that a try and see what happens. IF Adams is all that then we are laughing for getting a young starter for less then Franklin. If he flops then you could still look at a package deal for Franklin.

I wonder if there has been more heat put on Jones that this is not to be another training camp season and wins had better be there or else. I mean again from last fall going from not going to be active in the FA to being at the top of moves being made something tells me plans have been changed for some reasons and I doubt it is Jones having a change of heart. Perhaps the collar is getting a bit tight?
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Re: Free agency (signed players)

by depopulationINC » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:46 pm

ok, I based my 70k on Owens off of something on TSN earlier....sounds like I misunderstood it. Actually sounds like he is in for 110+...which is a 40-50k raise...I really don't get this if it is true
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Re: Free agency (signed players)

by depopulationINC » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:53 pm

i don't think anyone puts more pressure on Jones to win than Jones does. The FA signings are way more calculated this go because they are not in a mad dash to fill holes...makes sense. I am liking these signings...still a love hate thing on the NI backfield...but am twitchy on Owens...I mean he is a solid player but I don't see this as a need at all. Locker room presence will be pretty big I think and I mean that is what Geroy was brought in for and for more...so ok...but I am still shaking my head on it.

I like that they are spending pretty reasonably...perhaps Owens aside...and think they are doing way better this time around. Signing a guy like White..might seem insignificant but is seems like a wise one to roll th dice on...good player who is younger and cheaper than last seasons extra OL in Jones and is more versatile being able to play OT...pickups like that open a lot of options on the gameday roster.
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Re: Free agency (signed players)

by JimmytheGreek » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:56 pm

Montreal has signed Jacory Harris who was under Kavis in Edmonton. Hmmm the plot thickens.
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Re: Free agency (signed players)

by depopulationINC » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:15 pm

JimmytheGreek wrote:Montreal has signed Jacory Harris who was under Kavis in Edmonton. Hmmm the plot thickens.


yeah...that was basically done since yesterday and why the moving of Adams rumor started. finally official I guess. I guess Reed really likes Crompton a lot...but he also said Cato was a big part of the plans and then released him like a week later...so who knows.


I could see a move there like you said a 3 way deal essentially...something I was thinking about yesterday a bit. I mean Hervey might be a lot more receptive to a deal if he had a promising QB coming back that had an extra year on contract. Even if he doesn't...Adams is fairly promising...he did pretty well playing behind a line that might have been worse than what the Riders put up several week last season. Wally has a good track record and he was high as all hell on Adams and is not the only one who thinks he is a better prospect than Franklin...I still feel Franklin is a better prospect because he has amazing poise and a real natural flow to his delivery...but it is hard to compare because of the lines they played behind and that Montreal was already out Green and Carter and others when Adams got his crack. Either way,,,both are promising...and Kavis would love a pick back if he is actually that high on Harris....which I don't get...he seems alright but not as good of a prospect IMO and Durant seems like a natural guy to work with Adams
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Re: Free agency (signed players)

by StormRider1 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:51 am

depopulationINC wrote:i don't think anyone puts more pressure on Jones to win than Jones does. The FA signings are way more calculated this go because they are not in a mad dash to fill holes...makes sense. I am liking these signings...still a love hate thing on the NI backfield...but am twitchy on Owens...I mean he is a solid player but I don't see this as a need at all. Locker room presence will be pretty big I think and I mean that is what Geroy was brought in for and for more...so ok...but I am still shaking my head on it.

I like that they are spending pretty reasonably...perhaps Owens aside...and think they are doing way better this time around. Signing a guy like White..might seem insignificant but is seems like a wise one to roll th dice on...good player who is younger and cheaper than last seasons extra OL in Jones and is more versatile being able to play OT...pickups like that open a lot of options on the gameday roster.


To be a force like Geroy... maybe... but we have Bagg and we all know the role he has played of late. I still don't get it... bring in for that kind of coin to be nothing more than a returner... and he got rid of Durrant... baffling. I will say, we got a few decent FA signed... still need to shore up our O line and our D line... whom last year could not sack a bag of potatoes all alone a QB. Still don't like Jones!!
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Re: Free agency (signed players)

by HfxTC » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:07 am

Riders can have Crompton. Kavis is not stupid enough to fry himself with the fanbase trading our Top QB prospect for lottery tickets or spare parts. Half the fan base isn't swayed by Durant who many consider just another KG.
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Re: Free agency (signed players)

by depopulationINC » Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:56 am

HfxTC wrote:Riders can have Crompton. Kavis is not stupid enough to fry himself with the fanbase trading our Top QB prospect for lottery tickets or spare parts. Half the fan base isn't swayed by Durant who many consider just another KG.


I wouldn't put money on that...Kavis is high on Harris for whatever reason and the prospect of getting a high pick back will be too much for him if he is all in on him. If Adams believes he is #3 or 4 on the charts he will also want out. For me I don't see how he would be less than #2 but there is a lot of speculation he is presently not.

Maybe Herb was wrong but he is generally fairly accurate in what he says
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Re: Free agency (signed players)

by HfxTC » Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:18 am

Herb didn't say anything he just said people were speculating. Reed also denied any intention to trade him and refused Saskatchewan's advances last month.

First round draft picks are useless now IMO. Second round pick is where the value is. When you have 28 year old who hasn't played a down of CFL ball like Foucault asking for 150g. Just look in your own backyard last year with JSJ. Paying a backup starter money and you have to coach him up so he can take you to free agency two years later...

French comment boards don't lie. If Reed trades Adams after cutting Cato he's going to be in dead zone before the team has even played a game. His Crompton CEO comments drew ridicule last week. He's been on the job a month, he needs to think real hard about the moves he makes. Wetenhall has a short fuse and the fans right now even shorter.
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Re: Free agency (signed players)

by depopulationINC » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:43 am

HfxTC wrote:Herb didn't say anything he just said people were speculating. Reed also denied any intention to trade him and refused Saskatchewan's advances last month.

First round draft picks are useless now IMO. Second round pick is where the value is. When you have 28 year old who hasn't played a down of CFL ball like Foucault asking for 150g. Just look in your own backyard last year with JSJ. Paying a backup starter money and you have to coach him up so he can take you to free agency two years later...

French comment boards don't lie. If Reed trades Adams after cutting Cato he's going to be in dead zone before the team has even played a game. His Crompton CEO comments drew ridicule last week. He's been on the job a month, he needs to think real hard about the moves he makes. Wetenhall has a short fuse and the fans right now even shorter.


So Herb pulled that out of thin air? Was he not the one who said Cato was likely gone only to have Kavis scream to the heavens that he he was not? then a week or 2 later poof? You have shown in the past that when a reputable reporter speculates on something it has instant merit...but not here?

Odd you think Kavis is prone to putting weight behind words. What from his history makes you you feel that he does?

Well...If you don't like 1st round picks I guess you are sitting pretty come draft. I will speculated that every GM and HC in the league would not share your sentiment

Will something happen...maybe...maybe not. Is Kavis open to a trade if a good offer comes along...IMO yes. Why was he not when the trade with the Riders went down...Adams attitude swung a fair bit after that trade (understandably) but seemed to improve a fair bit....now another QB is brought in and Kavis is really high on him and there is speculation Adams is behind him....yeah...I can see him being pissed.
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Re: Free agency (signed players)

by HfxTC » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:25 am

Right now what the Als need MORE than draft picks are paying fans willing to pony up almost 100 bucks to watch a 2-7 team at home...

With one year contracts your seeing it in free agency, that's where the action is all these GM"s saying are broke are all rushing to pay these guys :) Better paying 360 to Dennis for two solid years than handing JSJ 250 to sit on the bench.

I doubt Vernon is worried about competing and even if we went with your absolutely groundless hypotemuse, he has 2 years left on his deal and right now, he's not pen'd in as the starter like Jennings was last season not to mention that holding out would kill any chance of him getting his NFL shot down the road that he still aspires to. He's not causing waves.

Right now Kliche Kavis is filling the team with a bunch of old Edmonton Eskimos and Riders that weren't good enough four years ago and that hasn't been missed. Shologan, Harris, Durant so far and he's trying to sign Cauchy Muamba when ratio is set to play all imports in the backfield?!$%#

How Reed can be so high on Harris when he was cut ahead of Masoli and Crompton in Edmonton and hasn't been trusted by Austin to play for two seasons with the injuries is inexplicable. Kavis is an absolutely lousy QB evaluator, shocking that he would still gamble with this after agreeing with Pervie to jettison Ray without a plan scares the crap out of me.
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Re: Free agency (signed players)

by depopulationINC » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:09 am

HfxTC wrote:Right now what the Als need MORE than draft picks are paying fans willing to pony up almost 100 bucks to watch a 2-7 team at home...

With one year contracts your seeing it in free agency, that's where the action is all these GM"s saying are broke are all rushing to pay these guys :) Better paying 360 to Dennis for two solid years than handing JSJ 250 to sit on the bench.

I doubt Vernon is worried about competing and even if we went with your absolutely groundless hypotemuse, he has 2 years left on his deal and right now, he's not pen'd in as the starter like Jennings was last season not to mention that holding out would kill any chance of him getting his NFL shot down the road that he still aspires to. He's not causing waves.

Right now Kliche Kavis is filling the team with a bunch of old Edmonton Eskimos and Riders that weren't good enough four years ago and that hasn't been missed. Shologan, Harris, Durant so far and he's trying to sign Cauchy Muamba when ratio is set to play all imports in the backfield?!$%#

How Reed can be so high on Harris when he was cut ahead of Masoli and Crompton in Edmonton and hasn't been trusted by Austin to play for two seasons with the injuries is inexplicable. Kavis is an absolutely lousy QB evaluator, shocking that he would still gamble with this after agreeing with Pervie to jettison Ray without a plan scares the crap out of me.



without base? So you are saying Herb fabricated what he said? You sure seem selective about which reports have merit when.

I have said that there may or may not be action behind it...I even said I would place Adams at #2....so the "base" you are arguing is against Herb...not me. However...I can not simply dismiss what he has said either because there is logic behind it...even if it is a move I personally probably wouldn't do or agree with.


For me...Kavis is doing some silly things yes but I think he is also doing some good things...but he also entered a cap nightmare. The SMS situation that Jones walked into was really bad...but not nearly as bad as what Kavis inherited from Popp. Tough situation because in comparison the Riders had about 8 contracts that were way bloated...some were immediate releases...some were later releases and harder to do...some where renegotiated...ie LaBatte. I believe Bowman also took a cut and did the year before as well...so he does have some players working with him...but I think the wage issues are / were a lot more wide spread. Right now he is bringing in guys he knows...that is pretty standard for any GM, especially a new GM...it is understandable. As time moves on and he gets more established and branches out and gets his scouting and recruitment in place that should all improve. I have never disliked Kavis as much as many have...but I would not trust that man as far as I could throw him. IMO he is behind a few of the leaks and was 2 faced last season...but that is just my pure speculation. He has also often had big words but seldom backed them up. #consequences
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