Offense 2010

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Re: Offense 2010

Postby HfxTC » Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:00 pm

I Don't have a problem with the offense. We have two changes on the Oline and we need to give them a bit of time to learn to work together and we hope they gel...
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Re: Offense 2010

Postby disciplineandpunish » Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:06 pm

HfxTC wrote:I Don't have a problem with the offense. We have two changes on the Oline and we need to give them a bit of time to learn to work together and we hope they gel...


I have a huge problem with this offense when the coaches are too pig-headed to modify their pass-first philosophy in situations where doing so would make us more effective. We were killing BC on the ground but ran the ball a measly 11 times. As usual, on our opening possessions, we didn't run the ball at all, except a typical boring conservative play in the red zone that went for no gain.

I don't know how many times we have to be ineffective passing all the time before Trestman and Milanovich get their heads out of their behinds and start giving the rock to Cobourne.
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Re: Offense 2010

Postby LeStaf » Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:39 pm

hassall wrote:We do need to develop running power. In past searons Watkins was good at the end around play. This season, to date, the end around was used twice with Watkins and Maypray with good results. The team needs to suprise the opposing offense from time to time. We are like aone trick pony.


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Re: Offense 2010

Postby als4ever » Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:31 am

Geez i dont know about all of this.

The Als started the season with three road games in Sask, Edmonton and BC, three places where they ALWAYS have trouble winning and they come out 2-1.

Yes they dont look like the 2009 Als, but honestly that team was probably the best team in the last 20 years in the CFL and its unlikely that this team will be able to repeat an almost perfect season.

Lets wait another 4 or 5 games before we start jumping off cliffs!
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Re: Offense 2010

Postby MadJack » Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:42 am

On the positive side. . . isn't S.J Green something ?
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Re: Offense 2010

Postby mada7 » Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:57 am

MadJack wrote:On the positive side. . . isn't S.J Green something ?


He sure is. The guy seems like he can catch just about anything thrown within arms reach of him. He is really a wonderful deep threat receiver
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Re: Offense 2010

Postby LeStaf » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:06 am

Oui, mais avez-vous remarqué que Calvillo commence à lancer à Green seulement après que Richardson en ait échappé deux ou trois?

Il devrait faire l'inverse. Surprendre d'abord avec Green pour faire un peu de place autour de Richardson, puis revenir à Green dans la zone des buts, puisqu'il semble avoir de meilleures mains.
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Re: Offense 2010

Postby disciplineandpunish » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:20 am

LeStaf wrote:Oui, mais avez-vous remarqué que Calvillo commence à lancer à Green seulement après que Richardson en ait échappé deux ou trois?


I noticed that too. I'm going to give Jamel the benefit of the doubt, because he has traditionally been a slow starter each year he's been an Alouette, but with the way Green is playing, he needs to elevate his game soon.

Il devrait faire l'inverse. Surprendre d'abord avec Green pour faire un peu de place autour de Richardson, puis revenir à Green dans la zone des buts, puisqu'il semble avoir de meilleures mains.


Richardson's problem, I think, is focus. He just strikes me as being too casual sometimes when the ball is thrown his way. But then sometimes he'll make circus catches too (remember the one-handed TD catch last year? Watkins wasn't the only one who did it!).

The problem with using Green early is that it means going to a five-receiver set early in the game, unless Green replaces Richardson at slot for a few series.
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Re: Offense 2010

Postby LeStaf » Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:32 pm

disciplineandpunish wrote:Richardson's problem, I think, is focus. He just strikes me as being too casual sometimes when the ball is thrown his way. But then sometimes he'll make circus catches too (remember the one-handed TD catch last year? Watkins wasn't the only one who did it!).

The problem with using Green early is that it means going to a five-receiver set early in the game, unless Green replaces Richardson at slot for a few series.


J'avais pas vu cet aspect, mais en même temps, pourquoi pas?

C'est vrai que Richardson a habituellement besoin de quelques parties pour être à son mieux, mais c'est un joueur qui peut tellement de gros jeux, qu'on voit mal comment s'en passer. Mais si sur un jeu on met Richardson et Green côte à côte, ça fait beaucoup de terrain à couvrir pour les demis, et en même temps, il y a des bonnes chances pour que le maraudeur se rapproche d'eux. Si le jeu ne s'ouvre pas de leur côté, il risque d'y avoir pas mal de place de l'autre bord.

Bon, on spécule, mais il y a certainement de belles combinaison à imaginer avec deux gars comme eux.

Sans compter qu'en plus, si on les fait jouer en alternance, ça fait deux joueurs dangereux qui se fatiguent moins vite. Ça compte, en fin de partie.
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Re: Offense 2010

Postby Onknight » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:50 pm

HfxTC wrote:I Don't have a problem with the offense. We have two changes on the Oline and we need to give them a bit of time to learn to work together and we hope they gel...
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Re: Offense 2010

Postby disciplineandpunish » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:22 pm

I'll tell you one thing: if that O-line doesn't get its act together, we'll be seeing Chris Leak a lot sooner than we might have wanted. We're lucky Calvillo didn't get seriously injured on that (uncalled) below-the-knees tackle. Everybody has to step up here. We don't have the luxury of our starting QB being a scrambling type who can make plays with his feet. Calvillo is nimble for his age, and a decent runner when he picks his spots, but he doesn't have the foot speed to escape pursuit on a regular basis. We have to keep him clean if we want this offense to get untracked.
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Re: Offense 2010

Postby LeStaf » Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:19 am

Je crois que la blessure de Calvillo a été le point de départ de l'amélioration du jeu de la ligne offensive dans cette partie. À partir de ce moment, les gars ont commencé à mieux protéger le quart. Ils ne sont pas devenus instantanément bons, mais ils se sont alors améliorés à chaque sortie. Par contre, les Alouettes ont manqué de finition et les 8 tentatives de placement le montrent bien. On voit qu'ils ont quelques bons jeux pour contrer le blitz, notamment avec Cobourne et Carter. Parfois, il faut réaliser qu'un gain de 3 verges est un bon jeu, si l'alternative qui se présentait était un sac du quart. À la fin de la partie, l'attaque était en marche. Mais il faut avouer que la défensive des Tiger Cats était exténuée.
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Re: Offense 2010

Postby disciplineandpunish » Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:38 am

The problem with poor O-line play is that it snowballs eventually into poor QB decisions. You get sacked or hit a few times and suddenly you get happy feet in the pocket and your reads aren't what they should be. Later in the game, while we were in the red zone, Hamilton sent a safety blitz on Calvillo, who one-hopped a pass to the wide side of the field intended for Cahoon. That can't possibly have been his hot read on the play. When the safety blitzes, you attack the middle of the field; you don't go 20 yards across the field to get maybe three yards when you need five for the first down.

Right now, everyone on the line is taking turns being beaten. Perrett got owned last night. Brodeur-Jourdain was awful. Lambert is having issues giving Calvillo proper throwing lanes when making his blocks. Eventually, they started leaving Cobourne in to help Perrett on the right side, which helped a bit, but Jeff has to raise his game on the one-on-one matchups.

I also think we need to attack downfield more aggressively. It seems like we use the deep ball and the running game as temporary changes of pace but fall back immediately to the short and intermediate passes most of the time. Let's start attacking teams deep! With Watkins, Bratton, Richardson, and Green, we have the personnel to do it effectively.
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Re: Offense 2010

Postby jkm » Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:36 pm

disciplineandpunish wrote:I also think we need to attack downfield more aggressively. It seems like we use the deep ball and the running game as temporary changes of pace but fall back immediately to the short and intermediate passes most of the time. Let's start attacking teams deep! With Watkins, Bratton, Richardson, and Green, we have the personnel to do it effectively.


I quite agree. A successful number of deep routes, especially when these go for TDs, will necessarily make the safety and the deep DHs respect this aspect of the game. Necessarily, this puts more pressure on the LBs for shorter routes and/or rushes. Eventually, this "loosens" the defensive scheme and allows AC and the O more options.
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Re: Offense 2010

Postby hassall » Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:14 pm

In our last game I noticed that Bratton has been used as an offensive runner. He has both strength and speed and, I would like the team to use him again in this role along with Watkins. We do need this to add to a ground attack. To keep going with the short pass predominately is like listening to an old song- not as enjoyable when utilized over, over and over!
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