Raiders exploring move to Las Vegas

Re: Raiders exploring move to Las Vegas

by Paolo X » Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:05 pm

Mightygoose wrote:Cracks in the Raiders to Vegas deal?

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/raid ... ing-102716

Adelson and Davis seem to have trouble getting a deal done between them. Adelson seems to want control of the stadium revenue or a stake on ownership to justify his 650 million investment.

Mark Davis already gloating about the move and burning bridges in Oakland. What kind of leverage does he have? Deal falls apart and he's forced back into Oakland. Even if the Ronnie Lott group is successful in a stadium deal, they'll want a piece of the team and the lion's share of stadium and related revenues too.

It may be soon checkmate for Mr. David.

I guess I'm the only one interested in tis story here :lol:


Cracks is right. There is no way 24 NFL owners will approve a billionaire casino mogul and one of the top five richest men in the US, who also has dominant control of the local media in Las Vegas, also with an actual ownership stake in an NFL team. I don't see that happening even if Adelson were to give up lucrative NFL betting altogether in his sports books in Las Vegas.

The prospect of a casino mogul having a stake in ownership of the stadium revenue will be challenging enough to the other NFL others, but that's as far as I think they would even consider.

And so indeed you are correct that the sharks elsewhere are also swimming around Mark Davis.

Thanks for starting this thread Mighty Goose.
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Re: Raiders exploring move to Las Vegas

by Paolo X » Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:09 pm

c-way-dude wrote:
Mightygoose wrote:
Adelson and Davis seem to have trouble getting a deal done between them. Adelson seems to want control of the stadium revenue or a stake on ownership to justify his 650 million investment.

Mark Davis already gloating about the move and burning bridges in Oakland. What kind of leverage does he have?


Davis has handled this very poorly, but an NFL owner always has leverage. I'm sure if things fall apart with Las Vegas, then San Antonio will step back into the picture. San Antonio also has the advantage of having a stadium (Alamodome) that the Raiders could move into right away. Jerry Jones might not like it, nor might other NFL owners, but as Al Davis proved, in the end that doesn't matter much.


I agree here though San Antonio opens up in my opinion only if the Chargers were for some reason to not go to Los Angeles by letting their option to do so expire on January 15, 2017 if I recall correctly its expiration date.

The Raiders would rush back to Los Angeles if the Chargers do not exercise their option.
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Re: Raiders exploring move to Las Vegas

by Mightygoose » Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:29 pm

Details emerge from Oakland on their efforts to keep the Raiders from their closed session today

http://m.sfgate.com/bayarea/matier-ross ... 643358.php

600 million from the Ronnie Lott group
200 million in public money for infrastructure improvements
200 million from the NFL
300 million from the Raiders

Colosseim site to be leased to the group. Public money to be paid back from Stadium and other development revenues. A vote to approve could happen on December 7...right before the next NFL owners meetings....convenient.

The big part of the picture....the Raiders themselves. What's in it for them? 200 million less for their contribution compared to Vegas, plus no relocation fee to pay.

However, what is their share of stadium and development revenues? Is there enough to go around between the city/county and the Raiders, in addition for the Ronnie Lott group to recoup their ROI?

Whatever happens, I don't see Davis getting a good deal anywhere so it comes down to weather the owners like the Ronnie Lott group or Adelson better.
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Re: Raiders exploring move to Las Vegas

by Mightygoose » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:32 am

City and County approve the term sheet on the Coliseum development giving the Ronnie Lott group negotiation rights with the Raiders. County approved 3-1-1 and City approved 7-0-1.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/223403907-story

How does the Raiders and the NFL respond? So far according to league's stadium and relocation spokesperson, Eric Grubman, this doesn't seem to move the needle much.

Grubman commented to USA Today Tuesday that he feels the Ronnie Lott investment team's proposal is a "carbon copy" of past proposals by Oakland that have failed and that "problems are likely to ensue


Ronnie Lott responded, saying he had not seen Grubman's comment, but bristled at the idea that Grubman would question Lott's reputation or criticize the plan without knowing all the details.


The jabbing begins. NFL owners meet in Dallas today and tomorrow. Get the popcorn ready!
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Re: Raiders exploring move to Las Vegas

by slimjim2 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:14 pm

The Raiders to Vegas - I guess that rules out any chance of the CFL getting a team back there.
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Re: Raiders exploring move to Las Vegas

by TravelPat1 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:46 am

slimjim2 wrote:The Raiders to Vegas - I guess that rules out any chance of the CFL getting a team back there.


Damn - I was hoping for another O Canada sung to the tune of Oh Christmas Tree - like we got in the silly days of the CFL in the USA debacle.
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Re: Raiders exploring move to Las Vegas

by rcon » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:01 pm

TravelPat1 wrote:
slimjim2 wrote:The Raiders to Vegas - I guess that rules out any chance of the CFL getting a team back there.


Damn - I was hoping for another O Canada sung to the tune of Oh Christmas Tree - like we got in the silly days of the CFL in the USA debacle.


Happens in other leagues too, and this one was in Toronto. https://youtu.be/B4c_0hsEtaA
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Re: Raiders exploring move to Las Vegas

by Paolo X » Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:24 am

From many articles, the latest is that the NFL finds any remaining proposals for the Raiders to stay in Oakland (or for the Chargers to remain in San Diego) to be unacceptable and the Las Vegas market to be worthy of further examination.

No firm decisions have been made yet, but that's the word from certain owners and commissioner Goodell.

Meanwhile, there is an update in the related post about the Chargers to LA.
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Re: Raiders exploring move to Las Vegas

by challenger99 » Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:00 am

Paolo X wrote:From many articles, the latest is that the NFL finds any remaining proposals for the Raiders to stay in Oakland (or for the Chargers to remain in San Diego) to be unacceptable and the Las Vegas market to be worthy of further examination.

No firm decisions have been made yet, but that's the word from certain owners and commissioner Goodell.

Meanwhile, there is an update in the related post about the Chargers to LA.


Paolo X, Have you ever attended a Hawks game? They play good NCAA football.
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Re: Raiders exploring move to Las Vegas

by Paolo X » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:17 pm

challenger99 wrote:
Paolo X wrote:From many articles, the latest is that the NFL finds any remaining proposals for the Raiders to stay in Oakland (or for the Chargers to remain in San Diego) to be unacceptable and the Las Vegas market to be worthy of further examination.

No firm decisions have been made yet, but that's the word from certain owners and commissioner Goodell.

Meanwhile, there is an update in the related post about the Chargers to LA.


Paolo X, Have you ever attended a Hawks game? They play good NCAA football.


Hey thank you Challenger. No I did not go last season. Then again, it's two more months until spring the way I figure as daylight increases daily already.
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Re: Raiders exploring move to Las Vegas

by Aerial » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:59 pm

Hard to know what the "fake news" is vs. the "fake information" vs the "true news" vs the "true information", well, you get my point. :D

Raiders to file papers to move to Vegas, it is said (by someone [we can’t tell you who])

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2017/01/1 ... l-you-who/
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Re: Raiders exploring move to Las Vegas

by Mightygoose » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:13 pm

Raiders officially file for relocation

http://www.tsn.ca/raiders-file-papers-t ... s-1.653724

No word yet on the timeline but I take it they'll stay in Oakland until the new stadium is ready.

Vote is not expected until late March.
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Re: Raiders exploring move to Las Vegas

by Mightygoose » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:33 pm

Sheldon Adelson pulla out of stadium plan.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/nfl/ca ... dium-deal/

His 600 million is replaced by investors Mr. Davis courted.

Who would have ever thought Mark Davis would out muscle money-wise Mr..Adelson.

Now he has a proposed lease where he wants to pay 1.00 a year rent and he'll likely get it....nice.
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Re: Raiders exploring move to Las Vegas

by Aerial » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:15 pm

Looks like the Raider are staying in Oakland afterall. Or maybe San Diego? :wink:
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Re: Raiders exploring move to Las Vegas

by Paolo X » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:23 pm

Aerial wrote:Looks like the Raider are staying in Oakland after all. Or maybe San Diego? :wink:


http://www.marketwatch.com/story/raider ... 2017-01-31

I agree. It looks to me like the status quo to stay in Oakland is the easiest option even though we've been told for years that the state of Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum is horrible.
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