American politics

Re: American politics

by PTBO Dave » Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:35 am

KevinRiley2 wrote:
Aerial wrote:Americans, take notice, our health care system is not benchmark material:

Canada ranks third-last in study of health care in 11 rich countries

Canada placed third from the bottom in a major new study of health care in 11 affluent nations, a score that reflects this country’s poor performance on measures such as infant mortality, access to after-hours medical care and the affordability of dental visits and prescription drugs.

Canada’s ninth-place finish is a slight improvement over 2014, when the Commonwealth Fund, a New York-based private research foundation, put Canada in 10th place, ahead of only the United States.

In the group’s new report, released Friday, Canada pulled ahead of France, but stayed well behind such standouts as the United Kingdom, Australia and the Netherlands, which ranked first, second and third.
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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/na ... e35692286/

This is where we got killed...

"and the affordability of dental visits and prescription drugs"

Not a fair fight. Take those 2 out and measure.

I'd be the first to say our dentists are crooks and our prescription drug prices are disgusting.


I'd wager that access to after-hours care drags us down, too.
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Re: American politics

by TravelPat1 » Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:18 am

The Mueller investigation appears to already be having an impact.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la ... story.html

Why did Don Jr.'s emails surface? Because Robert Mueller is already changing Washington's lying ways

For more than a year, the most senior officials in the Trump administration have adamantly, even scornfully, denied that there was any contact between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. The bombshell report earlier this week of Donald Trump Jr.’s efforts to secure dirt on Hillary Clinton from Russian officials — and his June 9, 2016, meeting with the supposed purveyor of that dirt as well as then-Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort and his father’s aide Jared Kushner — has put the lie to those denials.

Why has the truth emerged now? A careful parsing of the events of the last few days points to the importance of the federal criminal investigation overseen by a stalwart special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III. His behind-the-scenes work already has changed the rules of the game for the White House and contributed to a more accurate public accounting.

And here is where Mueller’s investigation has rewritten the rule book for senior White House officials. To receive a security clearance, Kushner had to complete a form — the SF-86 — detailing, under penalty of perjury, every contact he had with foreign government officials in the last seven years. (I dealt with SF-86s as a deputy assistant attorney general at the Department of Justice.)


Absent the special counsel investigation and the potential legal jeopardy for Kushner, the email chain very possibly would never have seen the light of day.


The threats represented by the Mueller investigation are having additional consequences within the White House, familiar to veterans of previous scandals. Multiple accounts suggest that the Trump Jr. emails have given rise to a circular firing squad in the West Wing that we are told features widespread suspicions of Kushner. These kinds of effects will only get worse as Mueller’s work advances.

Perhaps no quality has more stunned and frustrated the president’s critics than his brazen willingness to lie. Trump frequently appears to have no independent regard for truth, to see veracity in purely expedient terms: What he can get away with in public debate. More dumbfounding, he and others in the White House do seem to get away with it, ridiculing plainly objective accounts as “fake news.”

But the prospect of genuine legal jeopardy upends the calculation, certainly for Trump’s subordinates, who have future careers to lose, families to raise and, unlike the president, no general insulation from criminal prosecution. It is probable that some powerful people will be going to jail as a result of the Mueller investigation. Among the likeliest candidates are those who don’t realize that the game has changed, and that in the ambit of the special counsel investigation, and the courts of law, a lie is a lie.
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Re: American politics

by Chestmaster » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:49 am

TravelPat1 wrote:For more than a year, the most senior officials in the Trump administration have adamantly, even scornfully, denied that there was any contact between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. The bombshell report earlier this week of Donald Trump Jr.’s efforts to secure dirt on Hillary Clinton from Russian officials —


Uhh lol Russian officials. Who was the Russian official again?
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Re: American politics

by KevinRiley2 » Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:20 pm

Chestmaster wrote:Uhh lol Russian officials. Who was the Russian official again?

Ryan Ryankopov. The guy's as sketchy as they come.
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Re: American politics

by Chestmaster » Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:43 pm

KevinRiley2 wrote:
Chestmaster wrote:Uhh lol Russian officials. Who was the Russian official again?

Ryan Ryankopov. The guy's as sketchy as they come.

That Ryankopov guy again lol
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Re: American politics

by KevinRiley2 » Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:48 pm

Chestmaster wrote:
KevinRiley2 wrote:
Chestmaster wrote:Uhh lol Russian officials. Who was the Russian official again?

Ryan Ryankopov. The guy's as sketchy as they come.

That Ryankopov guy again lol

Enjoy the game tonight, buddy. :thup:
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Re: American politics

by Paolo X » Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:56 pm

Aerial wrote:Americans, take notice, our health care system is not benchmark material:

Canada ranks third-last in study of health care in 11 rich countries

Canada placed third from the bottom in a major new study of health care in 11 affluent nations, a score that reflects this country’s poor performance on measures such as infant mortality, access to after-hours medical care and the affordability of dental visits and prescription drugs.

Canada’s ninth-place finish is a slight improvement over 2014, when the Commonwealth Fund, a New York-based private research foundation, put Canada in 10th place, ahead of only the United States.

In the group’s new report, released Friday, Canada pulled ahead of France, but stayed well behind such standouts as the United Kingdom, Australia and the Netherlands, which ranked first, second and third.
...

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/na ... e35692286/


Here's my take from some experience in much of the US, but of course others will have had different experiences including especially those who are public employees or who work for very large multinational firms. Their experiences are also not typical of that of the average employee in the US.

Canada's system still looks a lot better to me except for dentistry.

Canada compared to the USA for Prescription Drugs, Health Insurance, After-Hours Care, Dentistry

Prescription Drugs
Here in the US, we have a mixed bag with benefits and prices for prescription drugs. The Veterans Administration (VA) does it right for veterans with a single-payer system in place since about 2000 such that they have the cheapest prices. And there is no good excuse for Medicare and Medicaid not to do the very same and go figure this is a situation in which like with the VA and with most Western countries socialism works the best, but most of Congress sold out to the global pharmaceutical lobby long ago. Even so most drugs under any health insurance remain cheap, and basic drugs even without insurance are cheap with various discount and prescription assistance programs for those with low incomes. I have used insurance benefits, low income benefits, and discount programs all myself over the years. Similar to the comments by Pat on some of the prescription drugs in Canada, the big catch in the US comes with many brand-name prescription drugs. These are often also the newer ones with much premium advertising on TV that have also no generic equivalent, and they are used most by older residents and those with certain diseases. And many of these ailing people, as had I for an ailment years ago from 2003 to 2010 from which I recovered, actually import their drugs in from Canada (or the UK via Canada) because they are cheaper. Once when living in Las Vegas, I received a slap on the wrist from US customs as the drugs were sent to me anyway. Now even US Customs allows small quantities to go through the mail though such importation is illegal under federal law even though legal under the law of many state governments.

Also politically this is where you can hammer for hypocrisy almost every Republican and most Democrats any more who are for so-called free trade, for they don't favour free trade in prescription drugs unlike they would for most other goods. It's not hard to figure out why they take that position on prescription drugs in most of Congress.

After-Hours Care
In large cities and in some smaller metropolitan areas in the US, after-hours care is above average to excellent. If however you are out from cities after hours, you will be in for an even longer night of course. I live in an area of three smaller cities and not in a large market, so by contrast it is a crap shoot of sorts after hours. For major specialty care such as for an organ transplant, one almost always has to go a large city as here is either Philadelphia or Metro New York City.

Say you for example you break a limb in some accident. In Canada, it appears to me one has far fewer concerns for care, and the associated expenses, during the day and all that follows beyond the care than in the US (dealing with your insurance company, dealing with physical therapy, dealing with paperwork, and working it out with your employer for time you have to miss for medical appointments with few legal protections to be able to keep your job should the employer take a hard line) whether you are with or without insurance in the US.

Dentistry
Dental care is excellent in the US and it looks to me the best in the world, but now that private dental insurance pays less and less, it looks to be going more the way of crooks as Kevin Riley stated is his experience in Canada. I am currently dealing for example here in the Lehigh Valley of Pennsylvania, one hour north of Philadelphia, with a new dentist and might be looking at a situation in which insurance will not pay all claimed on top of what I had to pay out of pocket anyway.

In contrast to the past, will this dentist in turn attempt to bill me for even the remnant small amounts, or will they stick with me and let them go and just look to future business? When that's the case because they can't process and structure charges properly for insurance claims or the insurance company decides to play hardball, in the US you are left to find a new dentist and/or new insurance or pay out of pocket with lower charges for basic care anyway. Often the older dentists have the best situations to work with you than the newer offices as in retail strip malls that are laden with crooks.
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Re: American politics

by KevinRiley2 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:48 pm

Forgive me BeagleHound, but there are a LOT today, after the week Trump just had...

LOVE IT!

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Re: American politics

by KevinRiley2 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:36 pm

Love it!!!!

With passage already uncertain, Senate leadership postpones health care vote after McCain's surgery

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/15/health-c ... rgery.html

Long Live Obama-Care!!!!
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Re: American politics

by beaglehound » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:47 pm

I must admit....some of those were quite funny but then again I'm only human. Obviously you are still "under construction" Kevin. I think you would understand my meaning. :D
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Re: American politics

by KevinRiley2 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:49 pm

beaglehound wrote:I must admit....some of those were quite funny but then again I'm only human. Obviously you are still "under construction" Kevin. I think you would understand my meaning. :D

I believe in the same beliefs you do. I just interpret them differently. :)

Help the less fortunate. Socialism. Free health care for EVERYONE!!!! Take from the Rich and give to the Poor. W.W.J.D.

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Re: American politics

by KevinRiley2 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:31 pm

That's a shame...

Trump's legal bills soar as Russia probes grow

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/ ... spartanntp
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Re: American politics

by rcon » Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:32 pm

KevinRiley2 wrote:That's a shame...

Trump's legal bills soar as Russia probes grow

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/ ... spartanntp


Maybe he could get his best buddy, Putin, to kick in some cash. He already bought him the election. :P
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Re: American politics

by KevinRiley2 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:34 pm

rcon wrote:
KevinRiley2 wrote:That's a shame...

Trump's legal bills soar as Russia probes grow

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/ ... spartanntp


Maybe he could get his best buddy, Putin, to kick in some cash. He already bought him the election. :P

Putin is suppose to be the richest man in the world so... maybe.
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Re: American politics

by KevinRiley2 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:02 pm

36% approval rating. Worst 6 month start since polling started. :rockin:
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