Atlantic Schooners

Re: Atlantic Schooners

by Cool » Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:28 pm

HfxTC wrote:Its a strange place... Might have to do with the enormous amount of wealth land that was passed on from generation to generation. I have no clue what will become of this province. The population is getting old (read expensive) at a record rate and the young people leave in droves. So where is the tax base going to come from to support the entitled boomers ???

Also the hydro costs have gone through the roof here. My bill for 99KW/day is now over $1200.00 every two months, retirees on fixed income are being forced out of their homes into these little Shannex apartments, many can't handle over 1000 bucks a month for taxes and utilities alone.

If the Liberals lower the transfer payments , this place is skrewed !


Exactly, so what is this area to do? Federal & Provincial election candidates are in for a tough ride in the coming decades. They'd better be putting their heads together, as what new tech type, 21st century business, is going to escape L.A., N.Y., London, Paris etc; and if/when it comes to Canada (T.O., the Van, Mtl, or even Calgary), how is it supposed to get to you and LK, aka, the People? I keep pitching some sort of amenity to keep the tax base there, or invite other people to get into the Maritime/Atlantic fun!
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by BigJoeM » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:18 pm

The east sounds depressing with nothing to do but wilt away maybe they can wet their sorrows over a good party .

Not to beat a dead horse but any major league with a need for large donors and big pockets would stay out of most Canadian cities except for the big smoke .

The CFL is just not in that class of big money and probably never will .

An east coast team is an ambitious endeavor but the economics of the CFL right now as of today are settling into a less is more approach to everything including attendance with stadiums at plus 20,000 mark in the East Division.

But you have three teams all community run in the CFL who excel and have the best attendance ?

The sad part is the CFL needs the fifth team in the east but the east doesn't need the CFL .

Pretty sad and sobering way to build a pro league that is Canadian only .

The only solution is to create a community team from scratch and build out but if you have 9 heads forgetting that the CFL is a collection of survivalists with philanthropic requirements you will never succeed in growing the brand beyond the 9 who will continue the survival mode forever in perpetual motion . The CFL needs to take the lead just like they have before for established teams or there will never be expansion anywhere within Canada .

Join the big boys and fight as one instead of 9 and they might get to the next level or stay the course and continue to put out fires in their individual fiefdoms in perpetuity .
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by HfxTC » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:45 pm

Great Post...
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by Grover » Tue May 02, 2017 10:50 am

Looks like the CPL soccer is a go in Halifax

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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by Mightygoose » Tue May 02, 2017 11:18 am

It could be promising and hope the CPL team there and overall is a success.

If so then there's at least the potential for prospective CFL owner to partner up with this group and the city. This would bring a second tenant for something more permanent down the road.
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by vanhalendlrband » Wed May 03, 2017 12:03 am

Mightygoose wrote:It could be promising and hope the CPL team there and overall is a success.

If so then there's at least the potential for prospective CFL owner to partner up with this group and the city. This would bring a second tenant for something more permanent down the road.


IT amazes me all the people that cry about money being spent on stadiums have no problem with some less than MinorLS soccer league that's gonna be half empty every game is somehow better spent than a CFL stadium?

These guys are smoking some serious crack in Halifax
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by vanhalendlrband » Wed May 03, 2017 12:04 am

BigJoeM wrote:The east sounds depressing with nothing to do but wilt away maybe they can wet their sorrows over a good party .

Not to beat a dead horse but any major league with a need for large donors and big pockets would stay out of most Canadian cities except for the big smoke .

The CFL is just not in that class of big money and probably never will .

An east coast team is an ambitious endeavor but the economics of the CFL right now as of today are settling into a less is more approach to everything including attendance with stadiums at plus 20,000 mark in the East Division.

But you have three teams all community run in the CFL who excel and have the best attendance ?

The sad part is the CFL needs the fifth team in the east but the east doesn't need the CFL .

Pretty sad and sobering way to build a pro league that is Canadian only .

The only solution is to create a community team from scratch and build out but if you have 9 heads forgetting that the CFL is a collection of survivalists with philanthropic requirements you will never succeed in growing the brand beyond the 9 who will continue the survival mode forever in perpetual motion . The CFL needs to take the lead just like they have before for established teams or there will never be expansion anywhere within Canada .

Join the big boys and fight as one instead of 9 and they might get to the next level or stay the course and continue to put out fires in their individual fiefdoms in perpetuity .


Horrible post.

First of all Ottawa sells out every single game since they been back. Huge party for the grey cup Ottawa loves CFL.

Hamilton sells out nearly all their games at the Donut box. Where do you get your information?

Montreal averages 20,000+ since the 1990's.

Toronto average 38,000 just a few years back. They were dead last last season and yet so far their attendance is better than 7 MLS teams attendance so far in 2017
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by Grover » Wed May 03, 2017 12:07 pm

Mightygoose wrote:It could be promising and hope the CPL team there and overall is a success.

If so then there's at least the potential for prospective CFL owner to partner up with this group and the city. This would bring a second tenant for something more permanent down the road.


I agree a successful CPL team playing in a small popup Stadium can lead to a consortium to building a full sized Stadium that the CPL team, a CFL expansion team and the Civic and Provincial Governments could all be a part of down the road.
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by slimjim2 » Wed May 03, 2017 4:37 pm

Grover wrote:
Mightygoose wrote:It could be promising and hope the CPL team there and overall is a success.

If so then there's at least the potential for prospective CFL owner to partner up with this group and the city. This would bring a second tenant for something more permanent down the road.


I agree a successful CPL team playing in a small popup Stadium can lead to a consortium to building a full sized Stadium that the CPL team, a CFL expansion team and the Civic and Provincial Governments could all be a part of down the road.


I doubt that at all. The city can approve a 5,000 temp seating stadium for soccer, a soccer team will be popular, it's a fast growing sport and ideal for a city the size of Halifax. You can play 20 plus soccer games in a 5k stadium and it will probably be succesful.
But the city would never spend another $150 MILLION to add another 20,000 seats in an unproven, small market area for a football team that only plays 9 games a year.
The CFL in Halifax will never happen.
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by brianjoxx » Wed May 03, 2017 6:37 pm

slimjim2 wrote:
Grover wrote:
Mightygoose wrote:It could be promising and hope the CPL team there and overall is a success.

If so then there's at least the potential for prospective CFL owner to partner up with this group and the city. This would bring a second tenant for something more permanent down the road.


I agree a successful CPL team playing in a small popup Stadium can lead to a consortium to building a full sized Stadium that the CPL team, a CFL expansion team and the Civic and Provincial Governments could all be a part of down the road.


I doubt that at all. The city can approve a 5,000 temp seating stadium for soccer, a soccer team will be popular, it's a fast growing sport and ideal for a city the size of Halifax. You can play 20 plus soccer games in a 5k stadium and it will probably be succesful.
But the city would never spend another $150 MILLION to add another 20,000 seats in an unproven, small market area for a football team that only plays 9 games a year.
The CFL in Halifax will never happen.


Well said and hopefully your correct. Next franchise move should be given to a city that wants CFL and will support it. That eliminates the Snoozers and Quebec City
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by jonny24eh » Thu May 04, 2017 11:39 am

I think that it's just the field that's being started. The city is redoing to field to have proper grading and nice grass. The stadium is separate, being privately funded by SEA for their CPL team.

Now, if the cpl does well and they want/need bigger than can be built at the wanderers grounds, that would be the opportunity to jump in government money, other investors and get a CFL team in a new stadium. If that happens I think we'd see a bit of a different type of stadium than we're used to. First, because it will be the soccer team that got it started, the stadium will be a bit better suited to soccer with closed ends. And second, as we see will THF and TD, smaller can work in the CFL. I. Could see a 20,000 seater being built to start, with future expansion possible.
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by Mightygoose » Thu May 04, 2017 11:56 am

Question for those familiar with the area.

Is the Wanderers ground big enough to accommodate a larger stadium in the 20-25K range?

Otherwise, they'll need another site - maybe Dartmouth crossing? Either way, the prospective CFL owner would have to contribute enough $$ as well as the CPL owner. But funding from both teams would ensure the stadium will be suitable for both.

Agreed, having 15-20 soccer games in addition to the 9-10 CFL games would be allot more palatable than building something for the Schooner alone.
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by c-way-dude » Thu May 04, 2017 4:58 pm

slimjim2 wrote:
The CFL in Halifax will never happen.


Ottawa is the defending Grey Cup champions.
The Chicago Cubs are the defending World Series champions.
Donald Trump is President of the United States.

You never know.
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by EastVanMark » Thu May 04, 2017 5:45 pm

c-way-dude wrote:
slimjim2 wrote:
The CFL in Halifax will never happen.


Ottawa is the defending Grey Cup champions.
The Chicago Cubs are the defending World Series champions.
Donald Trump is President of the United States.

You never know.


As longshots as those other things were, a CFL stadium let alone a team seems like even longer shots

A CFL stadium in Halifax is like the Sasquatch, or his cousin the Yeti. People keep talking about it, claim its coming right down the road, but nobody has been able to capture one as of yet.
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by The Last Word » Thu May 04, 2017 6:54 pm

Mightygoose wrote:It could be promising and hope the CPL team there and overall is a success.

If so then there's at least the potential for prospective CFL owner to partner up with this group and the city. This would bring a second tenant for something more permanent down the road.


There is no room on that site for a 25,000 seat CFL stadium. Look how small it is.

If there eventually is a CFL team in Halifax it will not be at that site. It will have to be built from scratch at an entirely new location.
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