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by ed ohmnes » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:37 pm

That sounds like a positive community owned set up, just what they need to get going .
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by slimjim2 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:11 am

OskeeweeneeVI wrote:
c-way-dude wrote:For what it is worth, Halifax city council today voted 16-0 to proceed with the temporary soccer stadium at Wanderers Grounds.

Thank you for putting this thread back on topic.


That's good maybe they will get their Canadian Soccer franchise.
If you go to their website or Facebook page, the Wanderers are a group of grass roots soccer enthusiasts who have been pushing the city to get a stadium and now pushing for a franchise in the Canadian league.

I don't see any grass roots for the CFL in Halifax. Is there any interest in Halifax for the CFL?
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by Grover » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:01 am

slimjim2 wrote:
OskeeweeneeVI wrote:
c-way-dude wrote:For what it is worth, Halifax city council today voted 16-0 to proceed with the temporary soccer stadium at Wanderers Grounds.

Thank you for putting this thread back on topic.


That's good maybe they will get their Canadian Soccer franchise.
If you go to their website or Facebook page, the Wanderers are a group of grass roots soccer enthusiasts who have been pushing the city to get a stadium and now pushing for a franchise in the Canadian league.

I don't see any grass roots for the CFL in Halifax. Is there any interest in Halifax for the CFL?


In 2007, was there any interest in Ottawa renovating Lansdowne and getting a CFL expansion team?

Things and interests can change very quickly.
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by Mightygoose » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:33 am

Same thing can be said about having an NHL team in Las Vegas 3 years ago and now they'll announce their roster later today (though many will be traded for picks before the first puck drop).

Without a stadium plan there's no conversation. The plan at the Wanderers ground is temporary so any potential CFL owner would need to partner with the soccer club to get the ball rolling IMO. Yesterday's development could be a baby step.
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by The Last Word » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:06 pm

Things do not change and happen very quickly in Halifax. That is a fact. They have had over 30 years to get their act together and the best they can do is build a temporary 5000 seat stadium for soccer.
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by Cool » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:43 am

Good article. If this is the case, hopefully the powers that be will start thinking of some sort of amenity...

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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by slimjim2 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:08 pm

Cool wrote:Good article. If this is the case, hopefully the powers that be will start thinking of some sort of amenity...

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Yes, their 8k soccer stadium and their bid for a Canadian premier franchise.
The Wanderers soccer team are really pushing for a franchise and have a lot of support.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scot ... -1.4037963
http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia ... rs-grounds

I don't see any local support for the CFL but a lot of grass roots support like the Wanderers.
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by rcon » Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:09 pm

slimjim2 wrote:
Cool wrote:Good article. If this is the case, hopefully the powers that be will start thinking of some sort of amenity...

#AtlanticSchooners


Yes, their 8k soccer stadium and their bid for a Canadian premier franchise.
The Wanderers soccer team are really pushing for a franchise and have a lot of support.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scot ... -1.4037963
http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia ... rs-grounds

I don't see any local support for the CFL but a lot of grass roots support like the Wanderers.


Being originally from the Maritimes myself (Miramichi,NB to be precise), I know there is a ton of support for a CFL team down east especially around Moncton. If they could get an owner, and an expanded stadium, a CFL team would be like Saskatchewan with fan support. To be honest, Moncton would be the best fit. Hub of the Maritimes (3 hour drive at most from almost any part of NB, NS or PEI), growning population and income. Halifax, although a bigger population, is more the Victoria of the east coast. Boring. Probably the reason they are all gung ho for a soccer team.
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by StephenKeyes » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:51 am

Too, is interested in the question. What do you think about this?
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by jonny24eh » Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:23 am

Couple thoughts:

The amount of support the proposed soccer team is getting, is the type of thing you'd want to see before putting a team in Halifax. BUT, that support only started because there were rumours of a new league that would need new teams. So there need to be inspiration and opportunity. Whereas the CFL has been around forever, has some exhibitions and nothing came of it, for a long time no hope of a stadium, so no reason to push for something that wouldn't happen.

The wanderers grounds won't be, and will never be, suitable for CFL. The site isn't big enough, they are making them tear half of it down every year, can't be too big, etc. That is no reason to dismiss it and the other things happening.

Anyone who want the CFL in Halifax needs to pay very close attention. If the soccer team does well, and in a few years is maxing out the temp stadium, there will be talk of building something more permanent. That will be the best, and maybe only chance, of getting a CFL capable stadium built. When that happens there needs to be an organized group ready to campaign for a team. They need to show that the desire is there the way the soccer people are right now. Maybe, and the best outcome, would be the soccer owners also owning the CFL franchise. Once the stadium is going to happen, the CFL should offer the franchise for free if it is built to accommodate (since soccer people don't really like the long field and open ends of football) to make sure it gets done.
If the soccer owners are not interested, then another owner would need to be found, and likely have to pay for a portion of the stadium to ensure it is football capable. For that reason as well they should be offered a free or reduced price franchise.

It might not be a bad idea for fan groups pushing for a team to start attending soccer games with a "CFL team here" message, like how certain soccer groups are pushing for CPL at MLS games, other pro and national team games. Get some exposure on TV, support the soccer team they need to work with, etc. Soccer and football are at a strange crossroads, where they are competing for fans albeit quite different demographics at times. But also working together to try to build sports businesses ie Ticats, Larry T and Bell, etc. I think we need to push the cooperation angle more than the antagonistic angle. We don't want another TFC/Argos situation.

Finally, I think this will be an opportunity to further explore the smaller - stadium model of CFL ownership. There are soccer and rugby leagues all over the world that run off average attendances in the 15k range. If the CFL can bring in enough sponsorship, TV, and streaming money, a smaller stadium league could be viable. This would make it easier for potential teams in smaller cities, with less infrastructure needed to house a team. That's the angle the new CPL is taking. I say that when the soccer team builds, as long as it's over 10-12k and can be expanded, that should be good enough to get a team started there.
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by ed ohmnes » Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:39 am

We shouldn't be talking soccer in the same breath as cfl. Soccer should not even be discussed on this site. Let them start their own site, Cfl should be building the stadium, and letting soccer play there. You need to get your priorities straight. Certainly a community owned stadium would be the most likely way to go , as no rich tycoon has ventured to get in.
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by jonny24eh » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:39 am

ed ohmnes wrote:We shouldn't be talking soccer in the same breath as cfl.


You know what, you're right. One is getting it done in Halifax. One is nowhere close.
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Re: Atlantic Schooners

by The Last Word » Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:02 pm

Give the Halifax Schooners a reduced or no expansion charge!? :lol:

Yes, I am sure the private owners who paid an expansion fee or bought teams at market value would be very pleased with a discount to this would-be Halifax team that would distort and ultimately hurt the franchise values of the other 9 teams. An expansion fee will also compensate the other teams for the further divying up of the league-wide sponsorships and the tv deal - split 10 ways instead of 9. The BOG will rightfully not give Halifax a discounted rate let alone a free team as it will hinder their revenues further. This will not be compensated by any additional national revenue (very little if any) derived by having a team in the Maritimes.

As it stands, it looks like this venture with the CSL will get off the ground next year and Halifax appears to be constructing an ideal-sized stadium for the venture. They and all the other teams will need to expect losses in the near-future as it with any recent startup league. The question is will the ownership groups have the financial backing to withstand these inevitable losses.
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