Stadium Envy

Re: Stadium Envy

by slimjim2 » Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:14 am

We go to THF, TD Place and BMO on a regular basis all great sight lines. BMO has more of the rigid plastic seats that don't fold up but there is a lot of leg room and a great place to watch a game. BMO has the roof over the fans which is a big advantage not just to keep fans dry and shaded but also it keeps the crowd noise in, too bad they can't draw a crowd.
At TD and THF, the fans like to gather on the concourses and that seems to be the popular thing right now.
I don't think any Ottawa fan would be envious of another stadium, TD Place has everything going for it. The concourse on one side where fans love to stand around, the walkways behind the end zones, the covered north side if you want to just sit and stay dry, plus the restaurants and bars in the stadium precinct.
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Re: Stadium Envy

by 2ez » Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:14 am

I'm not sure envy is the word, but do I wish we could have a stadium of that quality in Hamilton? Yea I guess I'd be crazy if I said I didn't.

But with that said, I really love THF for all it's faults, just the same as IWS. The story of THF is so Hamilton it hurts your soul, but I guess living through all the drama and deadlines has created a weird special connection for me with the stadium.

New Mosaic is simply amazing though, it's an absolute jewel for the league and while I never got out to the old one, I will not allow myself to die before attending a game at the new one. For all the hate Rider fans get around the league, truly makes me happy to see their fans rewarded for their insane dedication to the franchise.
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Re: Stadium Envy

by Aerial » Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:19 am

Obviously a city like Hamilton can't compete with an entire province like Saskatchewan or Manitoba but despite the real debacle of the stadium issue on so many fronts in Hamilton, a new stadium got built that is really a huge upgrade to old IWS, that's for sure.
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Re: Stadium Envy

by jamie » Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:19 am

I think the beautiful new stadium in Regina, along with the refurbished BC Place and Commonwealth in Edmonton, and the newer ones in Winnipeg, Hamilton and Ottawa make the CFL stronger. No envy here. Just pleased. Been an amazing 5 years.
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Re: Stadium Envy

by depopulationINC » Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:24 am

Grover wrote:The timing was right for the Riders to get the new Stadium started, at any other time later it never would have happened the way it did.


Most definitely. Same with the Oiler's arena really, and is why Calgary is having a battle getting there.

I just love that all the teams (Calgary's will come) are in new or revamped digs. BC obviously put big bucks into BC place, and Edmonton is good about often doing projects there.

As far as new Mosaic goes, there is only one real "complaint" about design from me...the fabric perhaps should have been a metal or rigid plastic. I say this because it would echo the sound down a lot more. When that is your complaint, you have to like the overall build a fair bit. The stadium itself is great, but when I got my first chance to spend time in the team facilities and actually try some of them out, it is pretty amazing. Never thought I would see something like that in the CFL. I think that for game day experience the Bombers and the Riders have stadiums neck to neck, and the edge might go to the Bombers....tough call. Bombers seats don't run as deep so you get a little closer the the field...the tradeoff is a bit of space in the concourse. Bombers roof retains sound better....Rider's TV screen is pretty amazing to tune into. Tough call IMO...the Rider stadium's team facilities are what set it apart...but for actual viewing and game day experience...that matters little to fans. I just hope that some of the construction issues in the Peg can be managed....that is a damned shame.

The one really neat thing in Regina is the new pre-game....it is huge and held 10000 people in it last week...crazy
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Re: Stadium Envy

by Stampeder67 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:12 pm

The Riders stadium is a beauty. The fans deserve it that's for sure and you won't be seeing any empty seats anytime soon. Now if Calgary could get some new digs as well :(
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Re: Stadium Envy

by depopulationINC » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:23 pm

Stampeder67 wrote:The Riders stadium is a beauty. The fans deserve it that's for sure and you won't be seeing any empty seats anytime soon. Now if Calgary could get some new digs as well :(


If this season ends poorly you will see empty seats...waiting list for season tickets or not.

There has been a hell of a run...the team turned around in 2007 and won, that boosted season tickets for a couple seasons as they made a few GC appearances...then it was the 'new stadium coming' in combination with 2013 GC...nobody was giving up a chance to attend that. Then it was people wanting to be there for the last season and now so many wanting to be in the first year of the new stadium. Don't kid yourself...there are a lot of people that are on the fence win or lose...losing would just make it worse. of course in a year or 2 another hosting of the GC will be announced (likely 2021 or sooner)
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Re: Stadium Envy

by brianjoxx » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:02 pm

Any stadium under 30,000 for the future, maybe 20 years. Look forward/ahead

YOU pick, Montreal its coming, Ottawa its going, Toronto holding OWN.
You pick.
Attendance this week.
Montreal 18,728
Winnipeg 30,165
Ottawa 24,347 but sold out. ouch!
Sask 33,050

Lets double salary cap for better players and games and entertainment. More TV revenue.
Lets see mini cities compete or collapse again..
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Re: Stadium Envy

by brihind88 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:18 pm

depopulationINC wrote:
Stampeder67 wrote:The Riders stadium is a beauty. The fans deserve it that's for sure and you won't be seeing any empty seats anytime soon. Now if Calgary could get some new digs as well :(


If this season ends poorly you will see empty seats...waiting list for season tickets or not.

There has been a hell of a run...the team turned around in 2007 and won, that boosted season tickets for a couple seasons as they made a few GC appearances...then it was the 'new stadium coming' in combination with 2013 GC...nobody was giving up a chance to attend that. Then it was people wanting to be there for the last season and now so many wanting to be in the first year of the new stadium. Don't kid yourself...there are a lot of people that are on the fence win or lose...losing would just make it worse. of course in a year or 2 another hosting of the GC will be announced (likely 2021 or sooner)


If it happens, it is a long long way away.

We are building a new ring road and LRT extension.
Lots of $$$$$$$$$. is going to that.

The Mayor ( who I despise ) and I agree.
We need to focus on the priorities .
A new stadium is not a priority.

What you outsiders are hearing and reading is talk, drawings and concepts.
^^^^^ do not make the decisions.

Nothing more.
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Re: Stadium Envy

by Lyle B. Style » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:15 am

Winnipeg's expansive stadium was built on the cheap - and in the wrong place (U of M bog).

What Winnipeg needed (and what the poor taxpayer could afford) is a slightly larger version of Ottawa (26,500 to 28,000 w/ expansion to 35,000 for playoffs or Grey Cups) @ 140 to 160 million - not clocking in @ 240 million + counting - plus massive interest pymts + regular breakdowns in the infrastructure.

Relying on notorious Wpg financial criminals like D Asper, having an early Alzheimer's premier (Selinger) give Asper free run (bringing in Hop Sing as architect) now is coming home to roost. You got a CEO who's turned into a veritable bus-boy, continually worried about getting fans in and out of the stadium located in the worst possible place!

Having an all-Canadian mgmt. team is a valiant idea - but the ceo now runs the transportation & toilets dept., the Gm Gomer Kyle is vastly inexperienced hiring & deploying effective scouting (particularly down south) & the coach, while a celebrated cdn. player is in way over his head as a professional football coach. Despite all this Wpg can still round up crowds of 30,000+ to witness their team getting eaten alive by a group missing 1/3 its primary roster. Its called running on goodwill - & goodwill can be turned off like a tap!

If Miller (who's not really a football man but more a slobbish troll who was allowed to roster on inferior teams for 7 to 9 yrs . . . . continues to feign unrelenting support for Gomer Kyle & Mike O'Shea the program will be playing before 17,000 to 19,00 diehard lemmings - winning 3 to 7 / season & rapidly defaulting on its long-term mortage payback!

Still time to bring in veteran hand like Sgt. Bilko (Jim Barker) instead of being top bus-boy for Wpg Transit, fixing toilets & making untenable guarantees for escaping the facility!
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Re: Stadium Envy

by Aerial » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:12 am

As long as people can get in and out in a few hours. People crave about going to Buffalo for example from Ontario, driving 3 hours each way and waiting on the on/off ramps from the highways which adds further hours, it's basically a whole day affair that seems to work for many, just so they can drink in a big parking lot, have some beers and a BBQ and toss some play football around.

As well, I doubt there will be stadium issues with crowds like the Hillsborough disaster in England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster

But hey, it's the Canadian way to complain Lyle, I think it's part of our overall genetic makeup as Canadians. I'm guilty as well though, believe me. :D

Also, my toilet keeps on running after I flush it. Can you send one those toilet fixers to my house as I'm sure they are experienced and know their stuff if they can fix stadium toilets. :wink:
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Re: Stadium Envy

by Lyle B. Style » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:45 am

Aerial wrote:As long as people can get in and out in a few hours. People crave about going to Buffalo for example from Ontario, driving 3 hours each way and waiting on the on/off ramps from the highways which adds further hours, it's basically a whole day affair that seems to work for many, just so they can drink in a big parking lot, have some beers and a BBQ and toss some play football around.

As well, I doubt there will be stadium issues with crowds like the Hillsborough disaster in England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster

But hey, it's the Canadian way to complain Lyle, I think it's part of our overall genetic makeup as Canadians. I'm guilty as well though, believe me. :D

Also, my toilet keeps on running after I flush it. Can you send one those toilet fixers to my house as I'm sure they are experienced and know their stuff if they can fix stadium toilets. :wink:


I e-mailed Wad Miller about your toilet problem - he said his days as 'The Flying Plumber' are over; he recommended you take your hand off the handle at some point!!! lol
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Re: Stadium Envy

by Aerial » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:09 am

Lyle, that would require me think, to take my hand off the handle, and I'm not always too sharp at the thinking game, well some might say at any rate. :wink:
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Re: Stadium Envy

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