Attendance vs TV

Re: Attendance vs TV

by HfxTC » Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:32 pm

Neely2005 wrote:
slimjim2 wrote:TV ratings are good but the most important thing for CFL teams is ATTENDANCE
If 100k or 1 million watch, it doesn't make one bit of difference to the CFL bottom line.
TV numbers are meaningless if only 12k show up in Toronto on Sunday or 21k in BC
A sell out in Ottawa tonight, that is the most important number. Fans willing to go out to a game and pay an average of $80 and $11 for beers.


I see that our resident CFL hater is back.

Ask TSN if they think TV Ratings are meaningless. The higher the TV Ratings the higher that TSN can charge advertisers for commercials.

The higher the TV Ratings the higher the $that the CFL can charge for the next Canadian or US TV contract.


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Re: Attendance vs TV

by brianjoxx » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:08 pm

rcon wrote:
TravelPat1 wrote:
brianjoxx wrote:Attendance week 1

Montreal 20,129 ouch!

Ottawa 24,465 Low!


Isn't 24,465 a total sellout in Ottawa? (Capacity is listed as 24,000 in online descriptions of TD Place). How can that be described as 'low'.


I think brianjox has been smoking been smoking the BC "special" blend. :cowboy:


And its top Quality. And damp cheep. Not this crap they sell in candy stores!!!

IMHO All are crying for a new stadium in Calgary except for Calgarians.
How about Montreal, Ottawa, and TO. Gees 25,000 is bottom line.
Why not shot for 30,000 capacity. I thought our population was growing.
Check all teams in the west. NICE job in Sask land and bomberville.
Watch BC numbers jump. Edmonton and Calgary Nice!!!!!!!!!

Small numbers in 3 east area points to failure again. Lot of empty seats in Ottawa. But cold and raining outside.

Anyone got a lite.!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep this up and well have 6 CFL teams. :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy:
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Re: Attendance vs TV

by The Last Word » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:13 pm

HfxTC wrote:
brianjoxx wrote:Attendance week 1

Montreal 20,129 ouch!

Ottawa 24,465 Low!


Ouch? Means the place was pretty much full, the end zone seats just aren't selling, no matter what they do, what promo they run, they just can't move them. It's a good sign, it is a maturing fan base that knows it's football.


Not true. I looked at ticketmaster and there were a few thousand tickets available between the goal lines for Montreal's game just an hour or two before the game. Since it is bench seating, people can spread out more covering the empty patches. Impossible to do in newer stadiums with individual seats.
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Re: Attendance vs TV

by The Last Word » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:17 pm

Brian Joxx lives in the past when it was common for CFL teams and for that matter most other sports leagues to have monstrous sports stadiums that were rarely ever full. He was on a similar tangent regarding recent Grey Cup capacities.

Time to get with the program bud. 25,000 seat stadiums are the norm in the east (limit supply) so you best get used to it. That my friend is...

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Re: Attendance vs TV

by brianjoxx » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:29 pm

slimjim2 wrote:TV ratings are good but the most important thing for CFL teams is ATTENDANCE
If 100k or 1 million watch, it doesn't make one bit of difference to the CFL bottom line.
TV numbers are meaningless if only 12k show up in Toronto on Sunday or 21k in BC
A sell out in Ottawa tonight, that is the most important number. Fans willing to go out to a game and pay an average of $80 and $11 for beers.


Good post Jim !!!!!!!!!!!!
However Average Price of $80 is too high at at stadium build for 35,000. I have no problem paying $50 as I have Money. BUT the young people need tickets around $20 today, which would include a drink and hotdog. West teams realized this years ago and still do it today.
5000 x 20 = future fans.

Now I'm not the best marketing person around. But $11 a beer that's plain STUPID.
Like I said before, gougers normally fail. Again.
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Re: Attendance vs TV

by brianjoxx » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:40 pm

The Last Word wrote:Brian Joxx lives in the past when it was common for CFL teams and for that matter most other sports leagues to have monstrous sports stadiums that were rarely ever full. He was on a similar tangent regarding recent Grey Cup capacities.

Time to get with the program bud. 25,000 seat stadiums are the norm in the east (limit supply) so you best get used to it. That my friend is...

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Thanks last word I appreciate your comments. Thanks.

35,000 to 40,000 can be built just as easy as a 23,000. I could care less if you built a new
stadium to house 10,000. Haves nothing to do with me. CFL is starting to be noticed
across America. Great talent good game. Minimum 30,000 seats FOR A NEW STADIUM
that will last 40 years. Get with a winning program. Not saying 100,000
Also not saying 25,000 which only the rich attend. Gee's another.????
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Re: Attendance vs TV

by Mightygoose » Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:09 pm

brianjoxx wrote:
The Last Word wrote:Brian Joxx lives in the past when it was common for CFL teams and for that matter most other sports leagues to have monstrous sports stadiums that were rarely ever full. He was on a similar tangent regarding recent Grey Cup capacities.

Time to get with the program bud. 25,000 seat stadiums are the norm in the east (limit supply) so you best get used to it. That my friend is...

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Thanks last word I appreciate your comments. Thanks.

35,000 to 40,000 can be built just as easy as a 23,000. I could care less if you built a new
stadium to house 10,000. Haves nothing to do with me. CFL is starting to be noticed
across America. Great talent good game. Minimum 30,000 seats FOR A NEW STADIUM
that will last 40 years. Get with a winning program. Not saying 100,000
Also not saying 25,000 which only the rich attend. Gee's another.????


But that's the trend with all sports these days. Build smaller capacity but actually have a larger building that can house larger concourses, suites, lounges, facade all to bring in more revenues, reduce the need to sell as many tickets hence having less supply to sell them for more.

Baseball teams used to play in 50-60K stadiums and new ones seat 35-40K. NHL arena in the late 90s started to build them in the 18K range when Chicago and Montreal were both having trouble selling 20K+ at first. New NBA buildings are 17K down from 19-20.

Even the mighty NFL, new stadiums being built are 65K like the new one in Las Vegas down from when 75-80K were the commonplace. Miami finished a 9 figure renovation where they removed over 10,000 seats.

Though attendance is important, revenue is the real key.
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Re: Attendance vs TV

by -Hammer- » Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:47 pm

brianjoxx wrote:Attendance week 1

Montreal 20,129 ouch!

Ottawa 24,465 Low!


Huh?

Just a heads up, Molson's capacity is 23,420 and TD Place is 24,000. I believe I also read that 18 is the break even point for most CFL teams....so.....kinda confused about this one.
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Re: Attendance vs TV

by KevinRiley2 » Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:19 pm

-Hammer- wrote:I also read that 18 is the break even point for most CFL teams...

I read that, too. :thup:
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Re: Attendance vs TV

by KevinRiley2 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:46 am

Not sure what the T.V. numbers will be but we are 3 for 3 for great games!
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Re: Attendance vs TV

by brianjoxx » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:13 pm

Attendance week 1 games 3&4

BC 19,175 Sad reality but on up swing

Toronto 32,486 Needs improvement. Can this be Real????
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Re: Attendance vs TV

by KevinRiley2 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:15 pm

brianjoxx wrote:Attendance week 1 games 3&4

BC 19,175 Sad reality but on up swing

They need a fresh start - see : goodbye David Braley.

brianjoxx wrote:Toronto 32,486 Needs improvement. Can this be Real????

??? Huh ???
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Re: Attendance vs TV

by brianjoxx » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:32 pm

KevinRiley2 wrote:
brianjoxx wrote:Attendance week 1 games 3&4

BC 19,175 Sad reality but on up swing

They need a fresh start - see : goodbye David Braley.

brianjoxx wrote:Toronto 32,486 Needs improvement. Can this be Real????

??? Huh ???


Got your attention. No its Not 32 k just off a few. The report is they have to be careful on figures to keep face so estimated around 12,500. But you pick a number.
I wish they were sold out as the played a great game.
Now I think Braley is out of TO
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Re: Attendance vs TV

by brianjoxx » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:42 pm

brianjoxx wrote:
KevinRiley2 wrote:
brianjoxx wrote:Attendance week 1 games 3&4

BC 19,175 Sad reality but on up swing

They need a fresh start - see : goodbye David Braley.

brianjoxx wrote:Toronto 32,486 Needs improvement. Can this be Real????

??? Huh ???


Got your attention. No its Not 32 k just off a few. The report is they have to be careful on figures to keep face so estimated around 12,500. But you pick a number.
I wish they were sold out as the played a great game.
Now I think Braley is out of TO



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Re: Attendance vs TV

by drummer_god » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:12 pm

This thread has exposed 2 posters as being totally clueless.
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