Warren Moon's thoughts on Vince Young signing with Riders.

Re: Warren Moon's thoughts on Vince Young signing with Rider

by Taleback » Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:21 pm

bobo82 wrote:Hmmmmmm !!! and I see yet another Vince Young thread is upon us :roll: .........Oh well 2 locked already might as well go for the hat-trick . Wonder how long before this one gets shutdown and Locked ? :lol: I'm thinking of starting a pool on how many VY threads get started and locked before the season begins :D Considering that we've already had 2 threads Locked already , I'm setting the over/under at 3.5 Locks when it comes to the topic of Mr. Vince Young :D
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Sooo, let me see if I've got this correct. Rider fans are obsessed with Vince Young threads yet 2 of 3 are started by non Rider fans, and the total posts of Rider fans in those threads are 28%. with 72% from other. Seems the obsession thing is lacking with you. Once you can learn to give it a rest I'm sure it will go away. :D
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Re: Warren Moon's thoughts on Vince Young signing with Rider

by EsksfansDan1964 » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:28 pm

In the CBC article they spoke to in my opinion the top 3 QB's who transitioned from the NFL to cfl game. I think all made good points and I agree VY has a ton of talent if he can learn the CFL game and keep his head on straight he can be very successful up here.

In my opinion Warren Moon is the best QB Ever to play in the CFL Honorable mention to Flutie, Garcia, and Theisman.

Ferragamo was a total flop and nothing against Calvillo a great CFL QB. but if he had the talent he would have went to the NFL and played as a starter like the 4 I mentioned.
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Re: Warren Moon's thoughts on Vince Young signing with Rider

by The Last Word » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:22 pm

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The Last Word wrote:Ah, the good old appeal to authority. Nothing like citing an authority on a topic outside their area of expertise. Just because Moon was an excellent Qb it does not imbue him with the abilities to discern the necessary makeup needed to become one. If a head coach or GM of a CFL or NFL team with a proven track record of long-term success had made this statement regarding Young it might have some merit. Since no one of note has (Jones has no proven track record as a GM and limited success as head coach), questions about Vince Young will persist as they should.

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Clearly your opinion is the authority, much moreso than Warren Moons. Haha, you're just pretentious.


No, I am pointing out the disingenuous argument presented by Migs in using Moon as some kind of authority on quatrterbacks, particularly those who were not that great to begin with and who have also been away from the game for nearly half a decade.

I look forward to hearing of all the recent examples of players who have not taken a meaningful snap on the football field for 6 years that have then returned and played a meaningful role with another organization. I suspect I will be waiting a long time.

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Re: Warren Moon's thoughts on Vince Young signing with Rider

by rpaege » Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:14 pm

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I look forward to hearing of all the recent examples of players who have not taken a meaningful snap on the football field for 6 years that have then returned and played a meaningful role with another organization. I suspect I will be waiting a long time.

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No offence, but the notion that because nobody else has done it it can't be done seems like a fallacious argument. I agree that the odds are against him that he will succeed, but they're not impossible, or even remote. He does have a few things going for him that affect the odds, such as size, age, and plenty of starting experience (if not recent). I'll be the first to admit to pleasant surprise if he actually makes the team and gets a start this season, but I'm not willing to bet he'll fail completely simply because he hasn't taken a meaningful snap in several years.
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Re: Warren Moon's thoughts on Vince Young signing with Rider

by Migs » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:41 pm

It's pretty sad that we can't have a grown up discussion about a QB trying to make a comeback in the CFL.
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Re: Warren Moon's thoughts on Vince Young signing with Rider

by brihind88 » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:18 pm

bobo82 wrote:
Johnny Ticat slayer wrote:
bobo82 wrote:So Johnny can I put you down for an over or under bet ? :D


Oh yeah! 3-4 locked threads sounds right. Johnny predicts this one will be locked before noon eastern time Sunday... :D


Hey Johnny , here's an idea for ya Image Maybe you should start one of yer all too famous Polls on the subject :D I bet ya even money that the results and responses would all but guarantee yet another sure fire LOCK pushing you oh so closer to a winning over wager . 8)


I think a Johnny Poll is just the medicine this sickness needs.

Also VY, is getting way more attention then he deserves.

Including from myself.

However, the poll could be " who will get in the last post before LOCK UP 3.0 "? :lol:
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Re: Warren Moon's thoughts on Vince Young signing with Rider

by Migs » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:24 pm

The Last Word wrote:No, I am pointing out the disingenuous argument presented by Migs in using Moon as some kind of authority on quatrterbacks, particularly those who were not that great to begin with and who have also been away from the game for nearly half a decade.

If to you a ProFootball Hall of Fame QB is not a good authority on QBs then oh well.

And to say Vince Young was not a great QB to begin shows your complete lack of knowledge of what constitutes a great QB.
[b]I look forward to hearing of all the recent examples of players who have not taken a meaningful snap on the football field for 6 years that have then returned and played a meaningful role with another organization. [b]I suspect I will be waiting a long time.

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I look forward to you providing one example of a National Champion, 2time NFL Probowler, 3rd overall NFL pick, NFL rookie of the year, 31-20 NFL win/loss record Quarterback who came to the CFL & failed.

Since you are so caught up in precidence, only one example will suffice.
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Re: Warren Moon's thoughts on Vince Young signing with Rider

by jamie » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:50 pm

I'm really looking forward to seeing him play up here. I'm completely at a loss as to why he's viewed so negatively. Mind you for whatever reason this whole forum seems to take a negative spin on pretty much everything.
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Re: Warren Moon's thoughts on Vince Young signing with Rider

by PTBO Dave » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:11 pm

jamie wrote:I'm really looking forward to seeing him play up here. I'm completely at a loss as to why he's viewed so negatively. Mind you for whatever reason this whole forum seems to take a negative spin on pretty much everything.


:thup:
Agreed. I'm actually more interested in seeing how he does now, after reading all the negativity here, than I was before.

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Re: Warren Moon's thoughts on Vince Young signing with Rider

by jamie » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:26 pm

I hope he lights it up. I love a good comeback story.
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Re: Warren Moon's thoughts on Vince Young signing with Rider

by Johnny Ticat slayer » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:17 am

EsksfansDan1964 wrote:In the CBC article they spoke to in my opinion the top 3 QB's who transitioned from the NFL to cfl game. I think all made good points and I agree VY has a ton of talent if he can learn the CFL game and keep his head on straight he can be very successful up here.

In my opinion Warren Moon is the best QB Ever to play in the CFL Honorable mention to Flutie, Garcia, and Theisman.

Ferragamo was a total flop and nothing against Calvillo a great CFL QB. but if he had the talent he would have went to the NFL and played as a starter like the 4 I mentioned.


WRONG!

And that's Mr. Calvillo the hall of famer to you. :cowboy:
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Re: Warren Moon's thoughts on Vince Young signing with Rider

by Johnny Ticat slayer » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:00 am

bobo82 wrote:
Johnny Ticat slayer wrote:
bobo82 wrote:So Johnny can I put you down for an over or under bet ? :D


Oh yeah! 3-4 locked threads sounds right. Johnny predicts this one will be locked before noon eastern time Sunday... :D


Hey Johnny , here's an idea for ya Image Maybe you should start one of yer all too famous Polls on the subject :D I bet ya even money that the results and responses would all but guarantee yet another sure fire LOCK pushing you oh so closer to a winning over wager . 8)


Great minds think alike! That was the plan... :D

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Re: Warren Moon's thoughts on Vince Young signing with Rider

by bobo82 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:49 pm

Taleback wrote:
bobo82 wrote:Hmmmmmm !!! and I see yet another Vince Young thread is upon us :roll: .........Oh well 2 locked already might as well go for the hat-trick . Wonder how long before this one gets shutdown and Locked ? :lol: I'm thinking of starting a pool on how many VY threads get started and locked before the season begins :D Considering that we've already had 2 threads Locked already , I'm setting the over/under at 3.5 Locks when it comes to the topic of Mr. Vince Young :D


Sooo, let me see if I've got this correct. Rider fans are obsessed with Vince Young threads yet 2 of 3 are started by non Rider fans, and the total posts of Rider fans in those threads are 28%. with 72% from other. Seems the obsession thing is lacking with you. Once you can learn to give it a rest I'm sure it will go away. :D


LOL !!! Sooo, let me see if I've got this correct. You actually took the time to read through 3 different threads , roughly 25 - 30 pages worth of posts and took a total count of how many posts were by Rider fans and how many were by other fans ? You then divided yer figures so you could get an actual exact percentage of who was posting what ........and I'm and others are obsessed ?
LMFAO !!! :lol: :D Naw , you Rider fans aren't obsessed at all with Vince Young . I guess that's why then that over at Riderfan the VY thread is "only" at 244 pages and counting. I have to admit that you Rider fans are an interesting bunch......passionate to a fault , some are definitely kinda' goofy and silly BUT interesting in a strange sort of way nonetheless . Cheers :D Is it June Yet ? :wink:

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Re: Warren Moon's thoughts on Vince Young signing with Rider

by ExPat » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:24 pm

bobo82 wrote: Naw , you Rider fans aren't obsessed at all with Vince Young . I guess that's why then that over at Riderfan the VY thread is "only" at 244 pages and counting.


I thought you were kidding - but you're absolutely correct. How much could there possibly be to say about a guy who hasn't even stepped onto the field yet?
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Re: Warren Moon's thoughts on Vince Young signing with Rider

by Xvys » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:50 pm

Warren Moon may have been the greatest QB who played in the CFL and NFL but he wasn't the best in the CFL. There are at least a dozen QB's who have a better QB rating than Moon, who've passed for similar or higher yardage in the CFL. Moon was selected as a CFL or Western All-Star only once of his six years in Canada. Obviously his contemporaries thought other QB's were more worthy. Warren went on to have a great career in the NFL but that has no bearing on his CFL supremacy.

One thing the American QB Rating system the CFL adopted, doesn't do, is reflect the QB's rushing ability. There's little question Moon was a superlative scrambler...and he could put the old J5V into orbit on some of his long bombs!

Moon also had a very high Yardage per Completion average compared to most QB's then, or now (Jon Jennings led the CFL by a considerable margin last year.) But Warren's completion percentage was lower as a result.

Unfortunately, the CFL has adopted the American Yardage per Attempt statistic, which is inappropriate and a bit misleading when applied to Canadian football. (YPA is basically a mini-QB rating, where one QB can complete 10 passes for 100 yds = 10 YPA; while another QB can complete 10 passes for 100 yds = 5 YPA...OK, so how many yards did he average per completion?) :roll:

Speaking of Vince Young, I had rated his chances of succeeding in the CFL at 5% before he signed with the Riders. Now it looks like he's at least staked himself to a job. Even if he's not the starter, Young said he'd do whatever he could to help the team win, like being a 2nd-pair of eyes on the sidelines, if that was his role. He was humble and thankful for the opportunity with the Riders (and received no signing bonus.)

So as long as VY doesn't show up out-of-shape, keeps the good attitude and can fling the ball downfield, he's in like Flint!

Now that Vince has officially signed, I'd up his odds of success at 15% (one in seven)...and rising? :cowboy:
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