JimmytheGreek

Yeah it was an ugly win but still a win. The way things looked in the first half I was thinking this one was going to be as close to a cake walk as we have had all season. Hmm nope wrong answer, instead of going after the tiCats secondary deep or mid deep we  went to the old rope a dope and almost lulled our offense into a coma. Now I realize there were some injuries but more on the defensive side then on offense and yet the offense went into the prevent mode, which they played very well to the point of almost preventing us to get a win. Did I mean to say the offense in prevent mode? Yes I did and yes they did it. Second and 3 and you can't get a  first? Brutal and worse yet they gained nothing so had to punt. Worse yet was when they had 1:30 left and get the ball back about the 35 they have Bridge take the ball and run in a circle killing  all of maybe 5-7 seconds and then he eats it for a big loss instead of just chucking it OB. Leaving them second and forever which then they hand off for another loss an give the ball back with plenty of time left. That is when I almost blew a gasket. Sure fine I get it that Bridge didn't want a fumble or a pick but to give up that kind of yards and not even attempt to chuck it away? That was just stupid and it almost cost us the win.

Now on defense yes they went very vanilla but when you have the amount of injuries they had I guess that it is understandable even though it was frustrating to watch. That new big guy Barnes really didn't impress me and yes it looks like the reasons he didn't stick in the NFL still applies. The man is a mountain but plays like a mouse. Now sure he had little time to get use to the schemes but still he was not the dominant physical player I was hoping to see. James seemed to cause much more havoc for the O line and Jefferson was far more effective then Barnes was although I really wish Jefferson would watch the ball and the snap instead of going off side so often. It really costs them on D taking those stupid off sides.

All in all its a win but we got lucky in the fact Saunders fell on that last play otherwise I don't think we come out of there with the W. Pretty scary to see 3 guys in the same area defensively and yet Saunders was open and could have made the catch for the score. Nice to get the turnovers and without them I don't see a win for the green and white. Good to be lucky and lucky to be good but I don't feel good hoping we can get that against the Stamps.

I hope Glenn is back in and LaBatte, Carter,Foster and James are in( I know not likely for James) Bridge was all right but dodged many a bullet on a couple of sure turn overs. That is something that there is little hope of happening against the Stamps. Happy for Bridge but I want Glenn calling the shots the rest of the way if we are still in the playoff hunt. Bridge I don't feel can get it done sorry to say.          

everyman

Wow ...it must be tough to be a Rider fan.

Most saw a losing season ahead.

They are 6-5

They win a game on the road with their number one QB injured. And a top receiver out early. And 4 injuries on defense during the game. And one key one on the O-line. Back up RB in there too.

The back up QB in his second start EVER goes 21/31...3 TD ...0 picks

Reading his thread seems surreal. What were you expecting?

Did you get backed into a corner with your pregame criticism of Bridge and were hoping he'd fail? That's what it reads like.

depopulationINC

Wow ...it must be tough to be a Rider fan.

Most saw a losing season ahead.

They are 6-5

They win a game on the road with their number one QB injured. And a top receiver out early. And 4 injuries on defense during the game. And one key one on the O-line. Back up RB in there too.

The back up QB in his second start EVER goes 21/31...3 TD ...0 picks

Reading his thread seems surreal. What were you expecting?

Did you get backed into a corner with your pregame criticism of Bridge and were hoping he'd fail? That's what it reads like.
Not everyone saw this as a lost season before it started...

I am expecting a defense that figured out that applying several different looks and the opponent having no clue where the heat was coming from to continue to do so...not do it for 3 games and then stop.  They only blitzed a few times.

I am expecting an inexperienced QB to have some checkdown options and to the OC to use some play action

I am expecting a QB with a good lead to not be forcing ridiculous throws to try to make things happen...don't care what their experience level is.  If they are down I get it.  He is a mobile QB...take off a couple times and change the D.  He was very lucky he did not have multiple interceptions....we will see if he learns...If he learns from it...great...but there is no excuse for some of the coverage he threw into.  I will say that his release has come a long way...which has always been my biggest issue with him...and it really showed in the timing routes.  His leisure grip with securing the ball was alarming....that needs to be a focus for Jackson to hound him on...especially for a mobile QB.

Like I said...the D looked 'ok' until people started dropping like flies...Hecht does not look the same as last season when he is in there...plays way too far back.  You have the other O in one dimensional mode and not once do you protect against the underneath pass and make them pay over the middle

LaFrance is not a backup running back...he was supposed to be the starter coming into the season.



You think this game is won against any other team played like they did??  The win is great...but there were some issues that you can not just smile and pretend were not there because of it. 



At the end of the day it is 2 important points and a good look at Bridge.  I just hope some of those injuries are not too serious. 

everyman

Yes there were issues. But the criticism seems out of focus considering being on the road, the injuries, the big lead at the half and being partway thru year two of a COMPLETE rebuild. But you guys are the fans of the team. I just watched this game far differently than what the fans here did I guess. I really admire how far this team has come and see what they could be very shortly as they build on this road win.

And I thought Bridge was vert good in his second career start and first with this team. 

depopulationINC

Yes there were issues. But the criticism seems out of focus considering being on the road, the injuries, the big lead at the half and being partway thru year two of a COMPLETE rebuild. But you guys are the fans of the team. I just watched this game far differently than what the fans here did I guess. I really admire how far this team has come and see what they could be very shortly as they build on this road win.

And I thought Bridge was vert good in his second career start and first with this team.

I don't think it is out of line at all.

Do you feel they win this game against any other team?


Big lead at half in year 2...against a team that is 3 weeks into new coaching....ok.  


The falloff on D was understandable withe the injuries...but the scheme was never what it was on that 3 game winning streak.  It is night and day plain to see.

I can even shrug off Bridge's decisions and say it is a part of learning...he did not play horrid or anything....but he did go with a lot of WTF passes when he had no need.

The o play calling in the second half was disgusting for the most part.  They had 58....58 yards of O in the 2nd half.  58.

JimmytheGreek

Yes there were issues. But the criticism seems out of focus considering being on the road, the injuries, the big lead at the half and being partway thru year two of a COMPLETE rebuild. But you guys are the fans of the team. I just watched this game far differently than what the fans here did I guess. I really admire how far this team has come and see what they could be very shortly as they build on this road win.

And I thought Bridge was vert good in his second career start and first with this team.
Lol Hamilton is a train wreck for the most part.  2 wins, new HC, a defense that has been less then dominate to say the least(9th in red zone D) and we come within a dropped pass from possibly going to OT after having a 14 point lead with the wind going into the 4th quarter and this is all right? Yeah as Depop said if this was any other team we go home damaged in more way then one. So like I said it was an ugly win but a win and that is all that counts.

Still if you watched the game and couldn't see that Bridge while putting up some good points and drives, he also was very lucky a more then a few plays not to have thrown a pick. The one play where he went deep with 3 defenders all in the area was a suicide pass and just pure luck it wasn't picked. The one he threw with a lot of heat over the middle on a quick slant and the defender just plain missed the pick was another. The one where he throws to Bagg and Bagg had to tug on the defender's arm and even then another defender almost picks it and Bagg got lucky not to get nailed for offensive PI, these are all very concerning decisions and against a team like the Stamps 99 % of the time those are all turnovers.

Now he did do some good things too obviously and in the first half was far better then I expected minus that one dumb pass that almost got picked. He moved the ball into the wind in the first fairly well and did put the ball into the end zone so yeah good on him for that. Now to get back to some of the bad things that were not his fault, like putting Adams in on the 5 yard line when no one was fooled what was coming. That was just plain stupid and a waste of a good scoring opportunity. Just a stupid, stupid scheme that hasn't worked before and no surprise it was a major fail once again. The fact LaBatte got hurt and that killed any run plays but why not use Morris and throw some hitch screens? The guy has some wheels and I thought he could have had some success but they never even used him. That again is not on Bridge but on Mac. Jones doesn't get off  free either, as I mentioned yes the injuries hampered the defense but again no blitzes and an ineffective 3 man rush most of the time and Masoli had plenty of time back there. Now he had a bad game and was off on his accuracy so we lucked out there. The defense played very well in the first half and got plenty of two and outs and again yes the substitutions that had to fill were not getting the job done but realistically almost every team has some injuries during a game but the drop off in the second half on D was very disturbing.

Hopefully the guys that got injured tonight are not seriously hurt because this line up in the second half  against the Stamps gets destroyed and very badly.

It is what it is but that kind of performance in other games that are left will not get us a playoff spot most likely.

Yes it may seem harsh but that is the reality of it or at least as I see it.                

everyman

Thanks for the feed back guys.

With the question posed by Depopulation: "do you think they would have beaten any other team?"

Hard to say. They played great in first half and Hamilton didn't get a first down until halfway through 2nd Q.

Often teams play differently when facing different teams.

I think they decided that Hamilton did not pose a dynamic quick strike opponent so they went into this shell defense and super conservative offense. Partly due to their injuries.

They wouldn't do it against a better team I suspect. One would think a lesson was learned here. I hope the injuries, especially to Labatte aren't too serious.

Anyway fun to talk football. Not trying to pick a fight here.

depopulationINC

Thanks for the feed back guys.

With the question posed by Depopulation: "do you think they would have beaten any other team?"

Hard to say. They played great in first half and Hamilton didn't get a first down until halfway through 2nd Q.

Often teams play differently when facing different teams.

I think they decided that Hamilton did not pose a dynamic quick strike opponent so they went into this shell defense and super conservative offense. Partly due to their injuries.

They wouldn't do it against a better team I suspect. One would think a lesson was learned here. I hope the injuries, especially to Labatte aren't too serious.

Anyway fun to talk football. Not trying to pick a fight here.
https://www.riderville.com/2017/09/15/coach-jones-post-game-media-7/

Jones straight up says the O was not executing in the second half.

One would hope they would learn, but at this point it is a pattern on both sides of the ball.

greenandwhite

We won. If I would have not watched the game and only listened to comments on the Point After, you would have thought we would have lost. 

Hamilton came into the game on a two game winning streak. They put up a good fight at home but in the end we get the W. 

Now hopefully our injuries aren't serious though Edem looked like he was in a sling on the sidelines. It'll be interesting to see what happened to Labatt. And I expect Glenn will make a return next week. 

depopulationINC

We won. If I would have not watched the game and only listened to comments on the Point After, you would have thought we would have lost.

Hamilton came into the game on a two game winning streak. They put up a good fight at home but in the end we get the W.

Now hopefully our injuries aren't serious though Edem looked like he was in a sling on the sidelines. It'll be interesting to see what happened to Labatt. And I expect Glenn will make a return next week.
Edem is most likely of all 10 injured to miss next week IMO
 


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