sambo42



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If you are comfortable standing up and saying that in a room full of veterans or at any Remembrance Day event - I could THEN and only then respect your stance. We all know you would never have the courage to tell any of our military or our veterans  that playing the national anthem at Rider games sucks for you, so your logic and position is weak, unrealistic, and not supported by your actions. In other words, it’s an opinion of which you will do nothing about - except complain on the internet. Anonymously.
I never said that- what I did say is that they should not play the anthem, of any nationality, at a sporting event. Big difference.


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I would encourage you to write a letter, go to the media, approach the team etc - if you really believe in this and want things to change. That effort - would gain you respect.
 It would be pointless to do that, because they aren't going to change anything with just one person expressing his/her views. I've did say it publically--on this forum, that national anthems should not be played at any sporting event.

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In regards to standing, singing along or wearing or not wearing a cap for an anthem etc - it doesn’t bother me if fans participate or not. They could sit for all I care. No one should be forced to stand or sing or whatever. What I believe is very important tho - is that the organizers of these large public gatherings are modelling the respect and recognition for our country that our flag, our military, our veterans and all us citizens reside under. All by playing the anthem. It is a reminder of what unites us. Our freedoms that we enjoy today didn’t just fall out of the freedom tree. Blood was shed to have these freedoms and to protect what we have ongoing.
  Is it everyone's freedom, or just the freedoms that you agree with? The soldiers fought and died for everyone to be free, not just certain individuals. We have the right to free speech and freedom of expression- wether you agree with it or not... you do not have the right to shove your views down another's throat... I'm only expressing my opinion. Disagree with it all you want, but don't ever say that I'm not patriotic or don't respect the flag or the military, because that is the furthest thing from the truth. You don't have the corner on patriotism, buddy. 
 

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If you are comfortable standing up and saying that in a room full of veterans or at any Remembrance Day event - I could THEN and only then respect your stance. We all know you would never have the courage to tell any of our military or our veterans that playing the national anthem at Rider games sucks for you, so your logic and position is weak, unrealistic, and not supported by your actions. In other words, it’s an opinion of which you will do nothing about - except complain on the internet. Anonymously.
I never said that- what I did say is that they should not play the anthem, of any nationality, at a sporting event. Big difference.


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I would encourage you to write a letter, go to the media, approach the team etc - if you really believe in this and want things to change. That effort - would gain you respect.
It would be pointless to do that, because they aren't going to change anything with just one person expressing his/her views. I've did say it publically--on this forum, that national anthems should not be played at any sporting event.

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In regards to standing, singing along or wearing or not wearing a cap for an anthem etc - it doesn’t bother me if fans participate or not. They could sit for all I care. No one should be forced to stand or sing or whatever. What I believe is very important tho - is that the organizers of these large public gatherings are modelling the respect and recognition for our country that our flag, our military, our veterans and all us citizens reside under. All by playing the anthem. It is a reminder of what unites us. Our freedoms that we enjoy today didn’t just fall out of the freedom tree. Blood was shed to have these freedoms and to protect what we have ongoing.
Is it everyone's freedom, or just the freedoms that you agree with? The soldiers fought and died for everyone to be free, not just certain individuals. We have the right to free speech and freedom of expression- wether you agree with it or not... you do not have the right to shove your views down another's throat... I'm only expressing my opinion. Disagree with it all you want, but don't ever say that I'm not patriotic or don't respect the flag or the military, because that is the furthest thing from the truth. You don't have the corner on patriotism, buddy.
 
Have you spoken to any military members about  your concerns? I'd be interested to hear their perspective when you tell them you don't like hearing the anthem at Rider games, for example. Or any other sporting event. Maybe we will learn something. It's always easy to rail against something in an anonymous internet forum. For any of us. Have you taken any steps to express your freedom of speech to the actual decision makers who play these anthems at these large gatherings for sports?

sambo42

 I just don't know where you get the idea that I don't like hearing the anthem at games... I just said that maybe the practice should be discontinued to end the controversy of players kneeling and not giving 45 a chance to rile up his base... its nothing more than that... you sound like an old adversary I had here, who fails to read & comprehend.

sambo42

OK, who has everyone got to win this game? I say the Eagles win it by 3... the big if being if Foles has a good game like he did vs. the Vikings.

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Patriots by 14

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I just don't know where you get the idea that I don't like hearing the anthem at games... I just said that maybe the practice should be discontinued to end the controversy of players kneeling and not giving 45 a chance to rile up his base... its nothing more than that... you sound like an old adversary I had here, who fails to read & comprehend.

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My feeling that they should quit playing any national anthem at sporting events... I go to watch a game, not show my patriotism... if they want to play it at international events after a team wins, no problem with that...especially when the pomp & circumstance is paid to leagues...
Got the idea from you. You posted it. Or this wasn’t you?

sambo42

I just don't know where you get the idea that I don't like hearing the anthem at games... I just said that maybe the practice should be discontinued to end the controversy of players kneeling and not giving 45 a chance to rile up his base... its nothing more than that... you sound like an old adversary I had here, who fails to read & comprehend.

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My feeling that they should quit playing any national anthem at sporting events... I go to watch a game, not show my patriotism... if they want to play it at international events after a team wins, no problem with that...especially when the pomp & circumstance is paid to leagues...
Got the idea from you. You posted it. Or this wasn’t you?
 I just said they should do away with the anthem... where does it say I don't like it? I show my patriotism in other ways... you are reading too much into what I posted... but if you like putting words into other people mouths, keep doing it... it will come back to bite you eventually.

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I just don't know where you get the idea that I don't like hearing the anthem at games... I just said that maybe the practice should be discontinued to end the controversy of players kneeling and not giving 45 a chance to rile up his base... its nothing more than that... you sound like an old adversary I had here, who fails to read & comprehend.

Quote from: sambo42 on Jan 24 2018, 03:38 PM
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My feeling that they should quit playing any national anthem at sporting events... I go to watch a game, not show my patriotism... if they want to play it at international events after a team wins, no problem with that...especially when the pomp & circumstance is paid to leagues...
Got the idea from you. You posted it. Or this wasn’t you?
I just said they should do away with the anthem... where does it say I don't like it? I show my patriotism in other ways... you are reading too much into what I posted... but if you like putting words into other people mouths, keep doing it... it will come back to bite you eventually.
Sir - I quoted you. Your words don’t make it seem that you like it.

You said ‘they should quit playing any national anthem at sporting events... I go to watch a game, not show my patriotism......’

sambo42

 It still doesn't say that I don't like it... just a statement that this "tradition" should be discontinued... again, you are misreading what I said, I also said that I respected the anthem & the flag, but you seem to have missed that...

 I did say this:


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I will respect the flag and anthem

I should have modified that to take out the word will... my apologies for that...

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It still doesn't say that I don't like it... just a statement that this "tradition" should be discontinued... again, you are misreading what I said, I also said that I respected the anthem & the flag, but you seem to have missed that...
Ok, I get your point. Just not where people gather at sporting events.
Where then?

Also - have you ever asked a military person how they feel about it?

sambo42

It still doesn't say that I don't like it... just a statement that this "tradition" should be discontinued... again, you are misreading what I said, I also said that I respected the anthem & the flag, but you seem to have missed that...
Ok, I get your point. Just not where people gather at sporting events.
Where then?

Also - have you ever asked a military person how they feel about it?
 Nope.. why should I? I stand for the anthem, and the flag... I don't disrespect it, so I don't feel that its an issue. 

FootbalYouBet

sure am looking forward to the game

so hungry for football I will even be watching the pro bowl.

kinda bummed that the nhl all stars are playing about the same time.

Crush cream soda is oh so good.  I think I'll have another

There are people out there who just will not be happy until they have created sentient AI.

TravelPat1

If history is any indicator the Pats Super Bowl wins have always been close games. Their 5 wins by a total of just 19 points.

Cheering for the Eagles - but suspect the Pats might win. But like most bettors (so far at least) I think the Eagles will at least cover the spread.  At one point it got all the way down to 4.5 points and is now back to 5 most places.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/super-bowl-2018-odds-update-massive-eagles-bets-move-line-down-as-total-rises/


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With betting on the Super Bowl open for four days, it's clear which side the money is on in the early-going: with the Philadelphia Eagles.

After the New England Patriots opened as 5.5 or 6-point underdogs on Sunday night, early action on the Eagles drove the line down to Patriots -5 by Monday evening. And it didn't stop there.

The MGM moved the line down to Patriots -4.5 on Wednesday after reportedly receiving a multi-million-dollar bet on the Eagles after previously listing the line as Patriots -5.5.

According to vice president of race and sports for MGM Resorts Jay Rood, his sportsbook is heavy on Eagles action so far.

"We were getting Eagles action all the way around. So we decided to go down and test the waters," Rood said, per SportsLine. "I was a little surprised to see the public going against the Patriots this hard, but I can understand why they see some value there."  

sambo42

sure am looking forward to the game

so hungry for football I will even be watching the pro bowl.

kinda bummed that the nhl all stars are playing about the same time.
The Pro Bowl is the NFL version of an all star game, and just as boring as the rest. It would be interesting to see a CFL-NFL game at this point, with the exception of 2 teams, most NFL teams are in their off season... could provide some interest to a meaningless game.

Hank01

sure am looking forward to the game

so hungry for football I will even be watching the pro bowl.

kinda bummed that the nhl all stars are playing about the same time.
The Pro Bowl is the NFL version of an all star game, and just as boring as the rest. It would be interesting to see a CFL-NFL game at this point, with the exception of 2 teams, most NFL teams are in their off season... could provide some interest to a meaningless game.
  It could work as they r not playing all out . The NFL guys would be upset playing the CFL guys though . The CFL guys may use it and play a little too hard trying to move up .

  It's interesting is the NFL use to play all star college teams up until I think 1970 or around there . The college guys played well the earlier years and then the pros kinda dominated . In 1963 the college all star team beat the Green Bay Packers .
 


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