jaybird24

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From what I have seen of the TFC crowd,  they are a pretty young bunch.  I would guess that the average age in attendance would be under 30.
They are a loyal bunch and have a lot of fun at the games,  they travel to away games too and march into other stadiums with their flags and chanting
How much these young folk actually really are truly soccer fans, who knows, but it's a night/day out for them that they can chant and hold each other arm and arm and all of that and they know the older folk aren't into that in sports in Canada, generally and aren't going to be there at the stadium to impinge on this younger uniquessness thingy.  .I mean if anyone offered me free tickets to TFC I'd respectfully decline and tell them to give them to people that appreciate soccer for entertainment, couldn't care less about the young social factor, but that's just me

So it works, hey, whatever I say jaybird.  A different younger bunch going to games for whatever reason.  It works.  But only 3 MLS teams in Canada so there needs to be something else to take the sport as entertainment here.  I guess that's the forthcoming Canadian pro league.  Don't know.
I have only been to one TFC game,  I went with a soccer guy who had tickets.   It was a sell-out 30k, just like you I probably wouldn't buy tickets but the impressive thing is that people will show up,  if the tickets are cheap or whatever.   We are older and didn't grow up with soccer,  the fans at BMO and in Montreal are young people that grew up in Canada with the game.
The concern with the Argos is that even with cheap tickets and give aways that fans will not show up.
The Argo fans are an older bunch and declining every year.  As the baby boomers get older they no longer want to go to the stadium, especially to sit outdoors in cold weather.
It's a Toronto thing though,  Ottawa doesn't have a problem with young people going to CFL games and Hamilton has a lot of old guys too at their games but young people too.

Not sure how the Canadian pro league will do,   I know that Ottawa dropped out of the NASL because of high travel costs,  they were flying out to places like Edmonton and down to Florida.
The new Tier 2 league that they moved to places them with teams in the North East US and a lot less costs and time for travel.     They average around 7k for their games which is pretty good for a Tier 2 or 3 league.   When you consider that Canada is primarily a hockey country,  crowds of 7k would be pretty good for the AHL or Junior hockey.

TravelPat1

Numeris Top 30 for Monday September 18 - Sunday September 24th.  

http://assets.numeris.ca/Downloads/September%2018,%202017%20-%20September%2024,%202017%20(National).pdf

Three sports related events.  
10 - CTV - Invictus Games Opening - 1,001,000
26 - CTV - NFL late (4:25PM) game - 635,000
30 - CTV - NFL early (1:00PM) games - 618,000

No sign of the Jays that week.

Aerial

Had the Jays be in it for a playoff position, they would have had huge ratings I'm sure.  NFL with all the Canadians doing betting on games, no wonder they have high ratings in Canada and the US of A.  It's a gamblers piece of heaven and that's a huge reason why the NFL will continue to garner high ratings despite youth leagues and high schools dropping the sport all over the place.  The sport itself is tanking at the youth level, but not at the gamblers adult level and the NFL doesn't care why people watch, as long as they watch.
"Canadian football does in fact have 4 downs, its just that as Canadians we are very polite and punt on the third down" -John Candy, SCTV

jaybird24

Had the Jays be in it for a playoff position, they would have had huge ratings I'm sure.  NFL with all the Canadians doing betting on games, no wonder they have high ratings in Canada and the US of A.  It's a gamblers piece of heaven and that's a huge reason why the NFL will continue to garner high ratings despite youth leagues and high schools dropping the sport all over the place.  The sport itself is tanking at the youth level, but not at the gamblers adult level and the NFL doesn't care why people watch, as long as they watch.
I wouldn't think that the CFL would care why people watch either,  as long as they watch.
It's a broad statement to say that 680,000 Canadians on average are watching the NFL games because they bet on it.
When my buddies get together to watch an NFL game,  I don't think any of them are betting on the game.    I've been to Bills games and there are a lot of families and young people there,  I doubt too many are watching because they bet on the game.
We know from the stats that the NFL TV ratings in Canada are up especially among young people.   The NFL ratings are down in the US,  they speculate it's a combination of more people streaming and a lot of people fed up with the politics.

TravelPat1

It was another mixed bag weekend for the NFL last weekend.  The Sunday Night stinker had bad ratings for NBC, and the Raiders - Bronco late Sunday afternoon national game did poorly for CBS. But the Sunday 1:00PM games on Fox had the highest ratings in six years for that time slot. 

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2017/10/nfl-ratings-2017-cowboys-patriots-singleheader-fox-viewership/

TravelPat1

Very good ratings for the HNIC openers on CBC, Sportsnet and CITY for Rogers on Saturday night.

2.27 million average for the early games, and 1.5 million for the late games with 8.7 million Canadians having watched part of one of the games on HNIC on Saturday night.

http://media.sportsnet.ca/2017/10/stunning-season-opening-saturday-for-hockey-night-in-canada/


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- Season premiere broadcast reached 8.7 million Canadians across all networks.

- Average minute audience for the games at 7 p.m. ET/ 4 p.m. PT (NY Rangers @ Toronto Maple Leafs; Montreal Canadiens @ Washington Capitals; Detroit Red Wings @ Ottawa Senators) was 2.27 million viewers, making it the second most-watched program of the week.

- Average minute audience for the games at 10 p.m. ET / 7 p.m. PT (Edmonton Oilers @ Vancouver Canucks; Winnipeg Jets @ Calgary Flames) was 1.5 million, marking a 50% increase in viewership over last year’s opening late game broadcast.

- Hockey Night in Canada was the most-watched program of the night.


With how exciting the Leafs look (what a fun comeback last night on TSN4 (in the Leafs region) against the Hawks) - I suspect the Leafs will drive big ratings for the early games on CBC all season long.

TravelPat1

Leafs are dominating the TV sports ratings in Canada these days.

For the week of October 2 - 8 CBC's coverage of the Leafs - Rangers game on CBC on Saturday October 7th averaged 1,794,000 which came in at  #6 for the week on the Numeris Top 30.  Their game on Wednesday October 4th drew 1,394,000 to Sportsnet which was # 15 for the week.

The only other game to make the Top 30 that week was the late game on CBC on the Saturday at 1,044,000.
-  http://assets.numeris.ca/Downloads/October%202,%202017%20-%20October%20%208,%202017%20(National).pdf


For the following week October 9 - 15 the only two sporting events to crack the Top 30 were again both Leafs games. 
Their Saturday night October 14th game versus the Habs averaged 2,071,000 to CBC which was the # 5 program for the week.  (FYI - that game also averaged 712,000 on TVA Sports in French for a total of almost 2.8 million. 

The only other game to crack the Top 30 that week was # 25 the Wednesday night Leafs game on Sportsnet versus the Devils that averaged 1,105,000. 
 http://assets.numeris.ca/Downloads/October%209,%202017%20-%20October%20%2015,%202017%20(National).pdf

Hank01

Here 's weird broadcasting in Canada 

  Tonight TSN broadcasts Montreal at Ottawa NHL on TSN 2 and on TSN 5 they are using different broadcast teams on different channels . Chris Cuthbert on TSN 5 and I don't know who is on TSN2 . Anybody know why ? Very strange .

TravelPat1

Both stations are blacked out here in Southern Ontario tonight. But I believe one of them is likely the Ottawa local broadcast with Cuthbert and the other is the English Habs 'local' telecast with John Bartlett. 

.http://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/montreal-canadiens/john-bartlett-returns-as-voice-of-tsns-canadiens-tv-coverage 

Hank01

 Thanks Pat kinda strange and expensive they would pay for two but I guess they have to .

Do you know why they regionalize their CFL broadcast advertisement ?
Does it really make more money than national ads or just easier for their sales team to cut it up. I never noticed until this year flipping the TSN 1 to 5 while they go to ads . 4 different ads on the regional channels while doing a national broadcast .


 Maybe this will help with expansion within Canada and the CPL .

TravelPat1

So far the NFL even though it's ratings are down the last two seasons - are still able to draw top dollar for ads.

http://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/despite-lower-ratings-nfl-still-commands-high-ad-rates.html


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The NFL may be experiencing lower ratings during the past couple of seasons, but it doesn’t mean  that advertisers are abandoning the sport for other programs. According to Variety, the  programs that command the highest prices are NFL packages. And in most cases, the ad rates are higher for the 2017 season than last.

For Sunday Night Football, NBC is commanding a price of over $700,000 per 30 second spot and that’s up 12% from $650,000 last season.

NBC is asking a price of just over $524,000 for its five-game Thursday Night Football package, up 3.7% from $505K last season.

CBS is next with its just-completed TNF package with a $496,000 pricetag down 6.4% from just under $530,000 last year.

And ESPN’s Monday Night Football seeks $385,000 for a 30-second ad, up 3.6% from $372,000 last season.

But beating all of those is a 30-second ad on the Sunday afternoon NFL on Fox, which costs advertisers $759,000.

Mirage_

TFC Leg 1 tv ratings were horrible. TSN couldn't sell advertising. This is hugely disappointing for the soccer community for the future of its sport. It might not have a broadcast home. 

I have been told that NCAA College Basketball and NCAA College Hockey are doing better for TSN than MLS soccer. 

Jay and Dan SC outside of the CFL playoffs and Grey Cup, and local NHL broadcasts have been TSN's best programming for November.

Aerial

MLS might have to look at this as this may be part of the problem, from the Philadelphia MLS soccer community:

Why Is The MLS Season So Long?

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The 2017 regular season ended on October 22. Why is MLS Cup on December 9? Why does it take over six weeks to crown a champion? The casual soccer fan is practically going to forget about MLS at that point. With the EPL in full swing and all the other domestic leagues going on, it’s not exactly a good time to boost TV ratings.
http://www.phillysoccerpage.net/2017/11/30/why-is-the-mls-season-so-long/

Hank01

MLS might have to look at this as this may be part of the problem, from the Philadelphia MLS soccer community:

Why Is The MLS Season So Long?

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The 2017 regular season ended on October 22. Why is MLS Cup on December 9? Why does it take over six weeks to crown a champion? The casual soccer fan is practically going to forget about MLS at that point. With the EPL in full swing and all the other domestic leagues going on, it’s not exactly a good time to boost TV ratings.
http://www.phillysoccerpage.net/2017/11/30/why-is-the-mls-season-so-long/
  Definitely when the MLS season starts in March then drawing it out to December it's a negative . I feel the same way about the NHL and playing in June . 
 
 They are over reaching with the audiences attention span . They just lose interest.

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Also per sources, TSN’s broadcast of Toronto-Columbus drew 641k viewers.
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Not great.  A regular season CFL game draws about the same.
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