DAN38

 I was very sad to read today about Anthony Bourdain committing suicide. I liked this guy. His shows weren't so much about food as they were about the common people and how they lived. He wasn't full of himself and he went everywhere. In a world full of social justice crap, he was a breath of fresh air. One of the good guys. I will miss him.
Si vis pacem... para bellum

If you think you can't when you can, you won't.
If you think you can when you can't, you just might.

ArgoT

Agreed, I like watching his travel show.
Obviously he had issues just like earlier this week with Kate Spade.

TravelPat1

I really enjoyed Bourdain too.  The way he truly connected with the people in the destinations he travelled to. 

Depression is a terrible thing.  

A friend who I last saw in March had cancelled getting together with me at the last minute a couple of times during the month of April. He texted me around May 3rd wanting to get together on Saturday May 5th. I replied I was going to be too busy on the Saturday getting ready for my cruise I was flying out for the next day the 6th - but would touch base when I got back.   

When I got back from my cruise I tried messaging him a couple of times over the next couple of weeks trying to get together over Victoria Day weekend and the weekend after that. No reply - which was unusual for him. 

Days later I found out he had committed suicide on May 5th - the day he had wanted to get together with me. 

Talk about having guilty feelings. 

I have only found out since he had struggled with bipolar disorder for years. I had no idea. He always seemed to be so happy go lucky. Always smiling. Always seemingly upbeat any time I saw him.  

So sad - so shocking. 

You just never know sometimes. 

DAN38

  Pat, have you heard Bourdain had depression ? He certainly seemed like a pretty upbeat guy and was even jovial in spite of the recent 'Newfy' thing that was utterly ridiculous. I have a few Newfy and not one holds offense to being called a Newfy. More like a badge of honour. They call me names too... anyway it does seem strange about AB. I know that people can hide it from others. Are we sure ? Was he diagnosed ?

   Sorry about your friend but don't feel guilty even though it's hard not to.

ArgoT

I really enjoyed Bourdain too.  The way he truly connected with the people in the destinations he travelled to.

Depression is a terrible thing.  

A friend who I last saw in March had cancelled getting together with me at the last minute a couple of times during the month of April. He texted me around May 3rd wanting to get together on Saturday May 5th. I replied I was going to be too busy on the Saturday getting ready for my cruise I was flying out for the next day the 6th - but would touch base when I got back.  

When I got back from my cruise I tried messaging him a couple of times over the next couple of weeks trying to get together over Victoria Day weekend and the weekend after that. No reply - which was unusual for him.

Days later I found out he had committed suicide on May 5th - the day he had wanted to get together with me.

Talk about having guilty feelings.

I have only found out since he had struggled with bipolar disorder for years. I had no idea. He always seemed to be so happy go lucky. Always smiling. Always seemingly upbeat any time I saw him.  

So sad - so shocking.

You just never know sometimes.
That is so tragic TP.
I just heard this saying the other day after the KS suicide, "Be kind, for everyone  you meet are fighting a battle you know nothing about".

TravelPat1

 Pat, have you heard Bourdain had depression ? He certainly seemed like a pretty upbeat guy and was even jovial in spite of the recent 'Newfy' thing that was utterly ridiculous. I have a few Newfy and not one holds offense to being called a Newfy. More like a badge of honour. They call me names too... anyway it does seem strange about AB. I know that people can hide it from others. Are we sure ? Was he diagnosed ?

   Sorry about your friend but don't feel guilty even though it's hard not to.
Thanks Dan and ArgoT.  It was a rough couple of days when I first found out - but the guilt feelings have more or less passed. It is just so sad.

As for Bourdain - yes he had openly talked about his battles with depression. 

http://www.tmz.com/2018/06/08/anthony-bourdain-dead-talked-depression-parts-unknown/

Hank01

 Pat, have you heard Bourdain had depression ? He certainly seemed like a pretty upbeat guy and was even jovial in spite of the recent 'Newfy' thing that was utterly ridiculous. I have a few Newfy and not one holds offense to being called a Newfy. More like a badge of honour. They call me names too... anyway it does seem strange about AB. I know that people can hide it from others. Are we sure ? Was he diagnosed ?

   Sorry about your friend but don't feel guilty even though it's hard not to.
Thanks Dan and ArgoT.  It was a rough couple of days when I first found out - but the guilt feelings have more or less passed. It is just so sad.

As for Bourdain - yes he had openly talked about his battles with depression.

http://www.tmz.com/2018/06/08/anthony-bourdain-dead-talked-depression-parts-unknown/
  Wasn't sure he was being serious at first when he says a bad hamburger makes him depressed for days. 

 To be that effected over food choices shows that maybe his obsession with food was unhealthy .

  Most likely in the wrong field with that type of swings of emotion over food.

 If he wasn't serious then I was taken in by the segment linked .

DAN38

 Pat, have you heard Bourdain had depression ? He certainly seemed like a pretty upbeat guy and was even jovial in spite of the recent 'Newfy' thing that was utterly ridiculous. I have a few Newfy and not one holds offense to being called a Newfy. More like a badge of honour. They call me names too... anyway it does seem strange about AB. I know that people can hide it from others. Are we sure ? Was he diagnosed ?

   Sorry about your friend but don't feel guilty even though it's hard not to.
Thanks Dan and ArgoT.  It was a rough couple of days when I first found out - but the guilt feelings have more or less passed. It is just so sad.

As for Bourdain - yes he had openly talked about his battles with depression.

http://www.tmz.com/2018/06/08/anthony-bourdain-dead-talked-depression-parts-unknown/
   Thanks Pat. I did not know this. It's very recent and I don't delve into the personal lives of celebrities anyway.

   Pretty sad all around.

Aerial

I've never heard of him nor Kate Spate but RiP to them both.  Very sad for people that "have it all".  Seems a lot of successful people in the business/entertainment world lately are committing suicide.  What is up with this?  :-\ :-\ :-\

Feel for you TP.
"Canadian football does in fact have 4 downs, its just that as Canadians we are very polite and punt on the third down" -John Candy, SCTV

RedandWhite

...great Zeus’ beard Pat that’s a terrible thing to experience...I hope you have support to help you process whatever you are feeling...
There is no dark side of the moon really. Matter of fact it's all dark.

DAN38

I've never heard of him nor Kate Spate but RiP to them both.  Very sad for people that "have it all".  Seems a lot of successful people in the business/entertainment world lately are committing suicide.  What is up with this?  :-\ :-\ :-\

Feel for you TP.
   I don't watch a lot of TV but when I do, I like to watch the odd food /cooking show. I like food and I like to cook. I first read about AB in a mag in a doctor's office. Later I started watching him in his first food show. He was different and he ate and cooked different. He went places I've never seen anyone go. I knew he had drug problems, he said so on the show. He kicked the habits. He called out BS and he praised the truth. I like this guy !

Iconic SR

 Pat, have you heard Bourdain had depression ? He certainly seemed like a pretty upbeat guy and was even jovial in spite of the recent 'Newfy' thing that was utterly ridiculous. I have a few Newfy and not one holds offense to being called a Newfy. More like a badge of honour. They call me names too... anyway it does seem strange about AB. I know that people can hide it from others. Are we sure ? Was he diagnosed ?

   Sorry about your friend but don't feel guilty even though it's hard not to.
Thanks Dan and ArgoT.  It was a rough couple of days when I first found out - but the guilt feelings have more or less passed. It is just so sad.

As for Bourdain - yes he had openly talked about his battles with depression.

http://www.tmz.com/2018/06/08/anthony-bourdain-dead-talked-depression-parts-unknown/
Wasn't sure he was being serious at first when he says a bad hamburger makes him depressed for days.

 To be that effected over food choices shows that maybe his obsession with food was unhealthy .

  Most likely in the wrong field with that type of swings of emotion over food.

 If he wasn't serious then I was taken in by the segment linked .
Very sad week with the deaths of two very talented icons in their fields. One of the consistent themes for those who suffer from depression is the depth and breadth that even basic things can impact them.

I've heard the illness described by depression sufferers as a 'mind storm'.

Hank01


  Definitely see that the mind wants perfection on their own terms . 

  Then the chemicals released in the brain attack the mind to a deep overwhelming hopelessness .

  Drugs and alcohol can bring this on to someone not suffering with mental health problems but they will feel what someone suffering with chronic depression feels temporarily .

  Not sure enough research is being done on it as the brain can be altered with something like food , light , urine tract infection etc .. . 

  For two people who from the outside are living the dream and look like they have a life blessed with abundance it is a shocking ending .

Iconic SR

It's such a complex problem. At the end of their life - the suicidal person who succeeds in taking their life truly believed in their heart and mind that are solving a problem and ending the pain, where in actuality all they have done (by committing suicide) - is transferred their pain to someone else. Nothing is gained or solved, rather it has only been made worse. Suicide may possibly be the most selfish decision a person can make.

I believe the challenge ahead of us all lies in humanity's ability to recognize and empathize and support  those suffering from these severe levels of depression, while simultaneously and willfully (and hopefully successfully) rejecting the atrocities of suicide. All while supporting those suffering from the 'mind storm'.

It's possibly the most complex human problem in front of us. There is a history of depression  and some suicide in our family, and I've learned and observed psychiatric professionals confront the depressed person's feelings quite aggressively: They ask how is he or she going to do it? What kind of knife or weapon or pills etc? What would the scenario look like? Who do they think would be the first to discover their body? What do they think this would to their friends and family whom they leave behind etc etc. Tough questions to hear the answers from - but possibly very successful in helping the depressed person grasp the reality and consequences of their actions or plans. Less fluff and more (very) frank discussion. My advice to anyone who knows someone with this level of depression? Ask them these tough questions, in the most calm and compassionate way possible. The depressed person might realize they are being heard, and that others DO realize and possibly understand how severe their crazy thoughts are. If they begin to feel that they aren't totally alone in their damaged mind, they may begin to value living more than they value dying. 

My thoughts and prayers go out to anyone affected by this illness - it's a horrible burden. 

DAN38

It's such a complex problem. At the end of their life - the suicidal person who succeeds in taking their life truly believes in their heart and mind that are solving a problem and ending the pain, where in actuality all they have done (by committing suicide) - is transferred their pain to someone else. Nothing is gained or solved, rather it has only been made worse.

Suicide may possibly be the most selfish decision a person can make.
   Val Kilmer thinks so too but do we know if the person depressed is thinking sanely enough to know what they are doing ?...... What I think is one of the most horrible parts of depression is the contradiction. You never can tell by the person's outward actions. We always hear " He/she seemed perfectly normal !" The shock really affects those left behind.
 


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