Aerial

I doubt we'll see a true ledger sheet from Canada and host Canadian cities for the WC, so I think it'll be next to impossible if our tax money has lined the pockets of FIFA or not.
I will remain impressed with BC on this though despite if the numbers end up showing a profit here in Canada.
"Canadian football does in fact have 4 downs, its just that as Canadians we are very polite and punt on the third down" -John Candy, SCTV

oo DAWG oo

“We don’t want to lose, as the taxpayers, to FIFA,”

that is the question...would we lose?

did we lose money during the 2015 womens cup?
   Don't know about the women's but I heard an interesting take on losing money and Vancouver may be on the ball with this. FIFA says a minimum 45,000 stadium is needed. What does Montreal use ? The big OWE needs LOTS of work. I don't see how that place can be used. Same as Toronto. Can BMO be made to accommodate that many seats ? PAT ? Or would they put grass in the Skydump ? Edmonton is OK.. A lot of money has to be spent in the next little while and for how much return is the big question. Very interesting.
BMO would be a waste of money to put that many seats in..
Unless they are all temp.
Now the skydome they WANT grass in there this may be the doorway to get there

PTBO Dave

“We don’t want to lose, as the taxpayers, to FIFA,”

that is the question...would we lose?

did we lose money during the 2015 womens cup?
  Don't know about the women's but I heard an interesting take on losing money and Vancouver may be on the ball with this. FIFA says a minimum 45,000 stadium is needed. What does Montreal use ? The big OWE needs LOTS of work. I don't see how that place can be used. Same as Toronto. Can BMO be made to accommodate that many seats ? PAT ? Or would they put grass in the Skydump ? Edmonton is OK.. A lot of money has to be spent in the next little while and for how much return is the big question. Very interesting.
BMO would be a waste of money to put that many seats in..
Unless they are all temp.
Now the skydome they WANT grass in there this may be the doorway to get there
Expanding Saputo stadium in Montreal could be another possibility, though I don't know how viable it would be. I would think that Quebec would want to host at least some games.

Maybe convince QC to build a 45,000 seat outdoor stadium.  :)

DAN38

Expanding Saputo stadium in Montreal could be another possibility, though I don't know how viable it would be. I would think that Quebec would want to host at least some games.

Maybe convince QC to build a 45,000 seat outdoor stadium.  :)
      Now that is a good idea !
Si vis pacem... para bellum

If you think you can't when you can, you won't.
If you think you can when you can't, you just might.

ArgoT

I don't want to see a weak Canadian team get an auto berth.  It would not be like they had a chance to make it to  the  round of 16. OTOH, Mexico would most likely earn a berth anyhow.
Expanding the tournament to 48 teams is a terrible idea.  Half of the teams will have no chance of winning.  Teams will just play a conservative defensive style, hoping for a 0-0 tie.  There are already teams that do that in a 32-team tournament.
I have been telling my friends who also like soccer  the best way to improve the game is to get rid of the offside.  
Open it up, as it turns out the defence dictates the offside.
It's sure to increase scoring and will end the debate of good call bad call by the side judges.
Or use a line instead of a player like Hockey . That should improve flow of the game .
I believe that offside only applies to where they are when the ball is kicked ahead by teammate.  They are then allowed to run past the defenders before the ball arrives.  In your scenario, they would have to wait for the ball to pass the line which would actually worsen the flow of the game.
It works in hockey just fine and it's a much faster game . Played both games and prefer hockey offside than the soccer .

  The hockey way you can have offence without worrying that the defender would make the player off side .

  The line is a deterrent to extreme cherry picking in hockey but some guys like Pavel Bure made it a signature piece .

  If soccer did it with a line at the 30 yd out from the goal it would suffice . You can still kick it in and run but now you care less about the defender's location . It would open the offence up to a much better flow and more scoring attempts .

 In your scenario the defenders are always running back and that's the problem they aren't . They know you can't pass to your teammate because of the location of the defender which makes the game as boring as grass growing .

  It creates an irritating  barrier to play making by making the last defender the offside mark especially in the scoring position near the net  . Hockey guys hate that aspect of the sport .

  It doesn't make sense to not be able to pass anywhere you want on the field especially near the net without worrying that the defender is in-between an artificial moving line .
My suggestion would open up play and provide fans with the much needed offensive increase with more goals.
As for your suggestion of cherry picking, the defenses would have to adjust to that and don't forget that could back fire going the other way.  

Aerial

Expanding Saputo stadium in Montreal could be another possibility, though I don't know how viable it would be. I would think that Quebec would want to host at least some games.

Maybe convince QC to build a 45,000 seat outdoor stadium.  :)
  Now that is a good idea !
I agree.  Spending $200-$300 million on replacing the Big Owe's roof sounds daft to me.  Baseball fans in Montreal don't see that as money well spent either.  Should be interesting to see how this all plays out.

http://montrealgazette.com/sports/baseball/money-for-new-olympic-stadium-roof-wont-sit-well-with-baseball-fans

ArgoT

“We don’t want to lose, as the taxpayers, to FIFA,”

that is the question...would we lose?

did we lose money during the 2015 womens cup?
  Don't know about the women's but I heard an interesting take on losing money and Vancouver may be on the ball with this. FIFA says a minimum 45,000 stadium is needed. What does Montreal use ? The big OWE needs LOTS of work. I don't see how that place can be used. Same as Toronto. Can BMO be made to accommodate that many seats ? PAT ? Or would they put grass in the Skydump ? Edmonton is OK.. A lot of money has to be spent in the next little while and for how much return is the big question. Very interesting.
BMO would be a waste of money to put that many seats in..
Unless they are all temp.
Now the skydome they WANT grass in there this may be the doorway to get there
Absolutely for BMO to waste more taxpayers money to add permanent what up to 10k seats, especially since they will not be used again afterwards,  is yet another example of wasting more taxpayers dollars.
It makes no sense especially since there will only be 3 or 4 games maximum played at the venue.
If they want more seats, the Big Owe and Commonwealth each have over 50k.

TravelPat1

The official bid book is worth a look at.

https://img.fifa.com/image/upload/w3yjeu7dadt5erw26wmu.pdf

Parts specifically on the 3 Canadian cities:
Edmonton - Page 79 and 171 on Commonwealth Stadium
Montreal - Page 95 and 203 on the Olympic Stadium
Toronto - Page 140 and 233 on BMO Field - which they say would be expanded to 45,500.

Also it showed game schedules for the 3 Canadian Cities on Page 140
City 1 - Game on opening day, plus two more first round games, one round of 16 game

City 2 and 3  - Two first round games and one round of 32 game each
 

oo DAWG oo

Well...Hamilton showed us all that what you bid and what you end up with are not always the same

vampiresquid

I don't want to see a weak Canadian team get an auto berth.  It would not be like they had a chance to make it to  the  round of 16. OTOH, Mexico would most likely earn a berth anyhow.
Expanding the tournament to 48 teams is a terrible idea.  Half of the teams will have no chance of winning.  Teams will just play a conservative defensive style, hoping for a 0-0 tie.  There are already teams that do that in a 32-team tournament.
I have been telling my friends who also like soccer  the best way to improve the game is to get rid of the offside.  
Open it up, as it turns out the defence dictates the offside.
It's sure to increase scoring and will end the debate of good call bad call by the side judges.
Or use a line instead of a player like Hockey . That should improve flow of the game .
I believe that offside only applies to where they are when the ball is kicked ahead by teammate.  They are then allowed to run past the defenders before the ball arrives.  In your scenario, they would have to wait for the ball to pass the line which would actually worsen the flow of the game.
 It works in hockey just fine and it's a much faster game . Played both games and prefer hockey offside than the soccer .

  The hockey way you can have offence without worrying that the defender would make the player off side .

  The line is a deterrent to extreme cherry picking in hockey but some guys like Pavel Bure made it a signature piece .

  If soccer did it with a line at the 30 yd out from the goal it would suffice . You can still kick it in and run but now you care less about the defender's location . It would open the offence up to a much better flow and more scoring attempts .

 In your scenario the defenders are always running back and that's the problem they aren't . They know you can't pass to your teammate because of the location of the defender which makes the game as boring as grass growing .

  It creates an irritating  barrier to play making by making the last defender the offside mark especially in the scoring position near the net  . Hockey guys hate that aspect of the sport .

  It doesn't make sense to not be able to pass anywhere you want on the field especially near the net without worrying that the defender is in-between an artificial moving line .
Offside line would have more downsides while the current rule clamps down on a lot of things people would complain about.

These include strategy would largely become dump and chase like we see in hockey. Mids will have to run around a lot more since the back line would need to stay back further. Mids largely drive the creativity on the pitch, so there goes a lot of interesting goals since they'll be more worn out. Instead, there will be more cheap goals like we see in hockey with deflections.

We'll see a lot more headed goals which means a lot more lumbering boring strikers vs the flashy strikers. Overall skill level will fall as all you need to do is boot the ball up the pitch - only low skilled teams play this style now. We'll see the disappearance of offensive full backs and the emergence of one note players or specialists.

Basically, it becomes hockey on grass. We already have field hockey.

Hank01

 

  FIFA needs to clean up it's stretcher bearers 


 https://youtu.be/mGGcmunrqFw

Aerial

Where a defender is seems a totally stupid rule to me but hey, I don't understand soccer so take that for what it's worth.  I do understand hockey though and I get this in hockey so seems to me that's the best way for soccer to work since it where a defensive player is in relation to the offensive player shouldn't matter in the least.  Weird stuff this soccer game and rules are, whatever, not my schtick.  I told my wife please do not buy me a ticket to a WC game in Canada, mind you she knows that would be a total waste of money in our case, well unless Canada is playing I guess.  

Hank01


  TSN announced no host nation ever lost the opening match when talking about the Russian game today . 
  
  Okay Canada no pressure if you get in by the back door in 2026 .

   Like Canada not getting a gold medal in Montreal and Calgary Olympics ; I really hope we don't get a record for poor performances .

  Like us to get a lot better before we play on the world stage .

  Really hope the CPL makes a difference in quality of play ; if that is the case .

TravelPat1

Bit of a yawner so far between Egypt and Uruguay - scoreless through 55 minutes. Too bad for Egypt Mo Salah isn't playing.

The big game today Portugal and Spain.  Really looking forward to that one. I still can't believe Spain fired their coach two days before this game. Crazy stuff!

TravelPat1

I just noticed that the next World Cup in Qatar will not be held at this time of year. Instead because of the summer heat there they plan on squeezing the World Cup into 28 days in late November to mid-December. 

That must be creating chaos for major soccer leagues around the world for that season.  That's right in the heart of all the major European League schedules and would be a direct conflict with the usual time of the MLS playoffs and MLS Cup. 

It will be interesting to see how those league schedules work around the World Cup that year.   
 


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