Poll

Quand les Alouettes fermeront-ils les portes?

Cette année.

0 (0%)
Avant le début de la saison 2018.

0 (0%)
Après la saison 2018 mais avant 2019.
12.5%
2 (12.5%)
Avant la saison 2019.
18.8%
3 (18.8%)
Après 2019.
12.5%
2 (12.5%)
Les Alouettes ne fermeront pas.
56.3%
9 (56.3%)

Total Members Voted: 16

LeStaf

I think im gonna step away from this forum for a bit unless it is about laughing at this team. We already have another sports team in Montreal trying to feed us garbage that they will be a competitive team...
Il y a même 2 autres équipes de Montréal qui le font, effectivement.
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CFL in QC

Je trouve plutôt mesquin de penser que Richard est payé pour écrire ce genre de propos.  Qui serions-nous pour avancer ce genre de ragot?  À quoi sert ce genre de procès-d'intention?

On peut être d'accord ou pas avec les propos de Richard, mais je ne vois pas dans sa loyauté un brin trop indéfectible envers les décisions de l'organisation une raison de l'invectiver de cette manière.  Critiquez ses propos comme HfxTC l'a fait, ce sera de bonne guerre.  Mais laissons les bassesses à d'autres, SVP.

Pour ma part, si Richard a de bons points dans son analyse de la situation, il demeure qu'objectivement, la présente saison a montré à quel point les décisions de personnel de Kavis Reed et Joe Mack a torpillé la profondeur de l'équipe.  Les blessures sont une chose, mais un bon DG doit s'assurer d'avoir des solutions de rechange viables.  Les Alouettes ont laissé aller Jacob Ruby, Mitchell White, Jake Piotrowski, et sont aujourd'hui incapables de boucher les trous avec les joueurs qu'ils ont en place.  Ils ont libéré Bear Woods très cavalièrement et se retrouvent aujourd'hui avec 2 recrues incapables de faire le travail à sa place.  Ils ont laissé partir Winston Venable et Jared Koster, en pensant que Boulay et Plesius pourraient faire le travail.  Ils ont pris le risque de laisser aller S. J. Green pensant qu'il ne serait pas remis de sa blessure.  Je peux leur accorder le bénéfice du doute pour Green, mais je pense qu'ils auraient dû tenter de le garder et lui donner sa chance.  À la limite, ils auraient pu avoir quelqu'un en retour durant la saison au lieu de n'avoir personne.

Mais surtout, ils se sont attachés financièrement à Durant sans se donner de marge de manœuvre. Durant joue comme un pied. Il est nul et donne présentement raison à Chris Jones.

Il y a plus que les blessures. Il y a de l'incompétence manifeste.  Le tandem Reed-Mack ne mènera nulle part.  Mack peut trouver des bons joueurs ça et là, mais pas assez pour avoir une équipe gagnante.  Je maintiens que s'ils demeurent à la barre des décisions de recrutement et de dépistage, les Alouettes vont fermer avant la prochaine décennie.  Ça me fait mal au cœur de dire ceci de quelqu'un que j'apprécie énormément personnellement (Kavis Reed), mais honnêtement, il n'est pas à sa place présentement.

Pour ma part, je préférerais un nouveau DG qui choisira son monde et qui nous dira que ça prendra 3 saisons à rebâtir l'équipe.  Ça aura l'honnêteté d'avancer quelque chose de réaliste et de permettre de bâtir en profondeur, non pas seulement pour la saison qui vient.
100 % d'accord avec ce post. (Bien que tu voulais probablement parler de Ryan White)

tony

So Sheldon, how do you think Andrew Wetenhall would answer your question/question of the Media: "how do you think  the season has gone?'

Andrew Wetenhall is brighter than most of you may think and I am 100% positive that him and his dad have tried/are trying to do what's best for the Alouettes fans. At the beginning of the season almost 100% of members on this forum  along with the Media applauded what was done. Now almost all of these persons are trowing rocks at them. Count me out!

For me, the two main factors explaining the results are injuries to players,particularly Nationals, and the bad play of Durant. I am hearing the same/old "rengaines' : other teams have had injuries. Yes, but none as bad as the Als on their Nat. players. For 6 weeks, ten Nationals were on 6 game injured list, including 3 of the 5 Nat. offensive linemen. These injuries started with the first game in Winnipeg and since then the results have been awful. For the first 5 games, less than 1 sack a game was allowed; since then, an average of 3 per game. A team like Edmonton has had injuries, but their QB was exceptional and allowed his team to win games. Not the case with Durant. Put Durant in Edmonton and Reilly in Montreal and the results would be worse for Edmonton and better for Montreal.

What will happen in 2018 regarding Kavis Reed? I don't know and won't speculate but it would be a bad move to fire/replace him.

Many veterans will be replaced in 2018 and most of them are/will be high paid players; won't be difficult to replace. Plenty of dollars will be available to re-sign our potential free agents-Blake and Ackie to name a few; furthermore, it will be easier to sign free agents from other teams.

I know that most if not all of you disagree with me, but I don't care. I could be wrong. Time will tell.

Enough said.

Richard
Meddling owner. Carrousel of coaches for the past six years. Failure to bring in a replacement at QB since AC retired (actually probably his last season). Hiring Reed as GM who had 0 experience in the position. Reed who gave a huge contract to Durant, gave a big contract to Jackson, let go Green, let go Woods, traded away young QB, failure to bring in quality Nationals...

0-6 over the past six games, blown out on two of them. An offense that has not scored a single point in the first quarter in these six games.
A QB who leads in INT's. He even went 0-6 against the RB's two games ago.

Who will want to sign with this team as a F/A?!  Who will want to work for the meddling owners?!

I never liked having Reed as the GM nor Chaps as the HC from day 1.

I for one hope Reed is done at season's end. This organization has hit rock bottom and Reed has his fingerprints on it.

Attendance has dropped and will probably continue to do so.
Ran into someone the other day who is a season's ticket holder and guess what, he is not renewing his pair next year. He has had enough of the organization and the nonsense that has gone on for the past few seasons. I am sure he is not the only one feeling this way.

Yes time will tell if this ship will stay afloat. 

tony

I think im gonna step away from this forum for a bit unless it is about laughing at this team. We already have another sports team in Montreal trying to feed us garbage that they will be a competitive team...
Think there are three in total trying the same thing.  ;)

tony

I think im gonna step away from this forum for a bit unless it is about laughing at this team. We already have another sports team in Montreal trying to feed us garbage that they will be a competitive team...
Il y a même 2 autres équipes de Montréal qui le font, effectivement.
Exactement.

nguyenMTL

So Sheldon, how do you think Andrew Wetenhall would answer your question/question of the Media: "how do you think  the season has gone?'

Andrew Wetenhall is brighter than most of you may think and I am 100% positive that him and his dad have tried/are trying to do what's best for the Alouettes fans. At the beginning of the season almost 100% of members on this forum  along with the Media applauded what was done. Now almost all of these persons are trowing rocks at them. Count me out!

For me, the two main factors explaining the results are injuries to players,particularly Nationals, and the bad play of Durant. I am hearing the same/old "rengaines' : other teams have had injuries. Yes, but none as bad as the Als on their Nat. players. For 6 weeks, ten Nationals were on 6 game injured list, including 3 of the 5 Nat. offensive linemen. These injuries started with the first game in Winnipeg and since then the results have been awful. For the first 5 games, less than 1 sack a game was allowed; since then, an average of 3 per game. A team like Edmonton has had injuries, but their QB was exceptional and allowed his team to win games. Not the case with Durant. Put Durant in Edmonton and Reilly in Montreal and the results would be worse for Edmonton and better for Montreal.

What will happen in 2018 regarding Kavis Reed? I don't know and won't speculate but it would be a bad move to fire/replace him.

Many veterans will be replaced in 2018 and most of them are/will be high paid players; won't be difficult to replace. Plenty of dollars will be available to re-sign our potential free agents-Blake and Ackie to name a few; furthermore, it will be easier to sign free agents from other teams.

I know that most if not all of you disagree with me, but I don't care. I could be wrong. Time will tell.

Enough said.

Richard
Let's not forget that Andrew Wetenhall has only been truly in charge for roughly a year. It doesn't excuse the fact that he has tried to rush things through to be competitive this season by meddling in football ops. However, I am somewhat hopeful (although that sentiment may change in a few months) that he will be wiser and be more patient with the process of being competitive again.

As for Kavis Reed, I give him an additional season to show he can build a respectable team and recruit well, both in Canada and the US.

For me, the main factors explaining the results are the ratio shakeup and the OL depth. Going with 2 Nationals at DT and 2 Internationals at OL is madness, especially since the only true ratio-breaking DT in free agency is Cleyon Laing. That thinking led Kavis to draft Fabion Foote, who seems nowhere ready yet, as his 1st pick, instead of reinforcing the OLine with players like Schram, Roy or Spooner. 

Wally Buono has assessed that both Shologan and Westerman are effective when they play half of the snaps and he was right. Both have not been able to pressure the QB on a regular basis, while we see Toronto being stacked with quality DLinemen.

Moreover, Kavis has misassessed the OLine, with LBJ and Simmons not being able to withstand pressure from opposing pass rushers. The money spent on Simmons would have been better spent on a guy like J'Michael Deane, who was available on free agency until late March and who was a starter for Ottawa. The fact that he let go of both Ryan White and Jacob Ruby, who are in my opinion better than both Greaves and Vonk, obviously do not help our OL woes and depth.

Patience is the key here. If Kavis misassessed the players on the roster and repeats the same mistakes as in this season, he deserves to be fired. Until then, I won't mind the turbulence right now.

tony

Important to remember, Reed has been around the organization for the past three seasons.
It's not like he came in not knowing the players that were on the roster prior to him being selected as GM.

RichardVeilleux

Merci pour tes commentaires,LeStaf. Une chance que je n'attends pas après l'argent des Alouettes, car je serais pauvre en maudit; je ne pourrais même pas m'acheter une "gomme balloune"  même si  à 1 cent, comme  le prix était  lors de mes jeunes années.-Il y a fort,fort longtemps.-

Malheureusement, pour certains si les commentaires ne sont pas comme eux, tu est soit idiot ou tu reçois de l'argent d'une formation ou de quelqu'un. Je respecte l'opinion des autres et certains de ces commentaires, comme les tiens LeStaf ou ceux de Sheldon, me font réfléchir. Je ne crois certainement pas avoir toujours raison. Comme j'aimerais avoir,un jour, l'occasion d'aller prendre un café ensemble ou l'un des deux et de discuter de plusieurs items,dont les Alouettes. 

Je maintiens mes écrits d'hier et je ne sais pas si Kavis Reed sera de retour l'an prochain, mais,pour moi, ce serait une erreur de le remplacer. Je lui donnerais une autre chance. Pour moi,une de ses graves erreurs fut l'embauche de Darian Durant-jusqu'à quel point il a été influencé par Jacques Chapdelaine- et le fort prix payé pour et à lui. Je n'ai jamais été un fan de lui et je l'ai écrit avant son embauche; j'aurais embauché Kevin Glenn,bien avant lui. Chris Jones sort le grand gagnant. Suite au salaire d'au moins $400,000 alloué à Darian,l'embauche  d'Ernest Jackson à au moins $165,000 ainsi que Jovon Olafioye, sensiblement au même salaire, personne n'avait besoin du quotient intellectuel de James Wood ou celui de Sharon Stone pour savoir que ces hauts salariés, ainsi que ceux déjà signés, étaient,et de loin, supérieurs au cap salarial maximum de $5,150,000. pour 2017.  Résultats: Départs/ échange de joueurs.

Après la signature de Durant, pour moi la deuxième grande surprise fut la signature d'Ernest Jackson. J'étais convaincu que S.J.et Ernest ne pourraient débuter la saison avec les  autre 44 joueurs actifs; pour moi, je voyais S.J. sur la liste des blessés pour au moins 6 parties; d'ailleurs, le Dr. Lacroix avait mentionné à Kavis que S.J. ne serait pas assez rétabli, d'où l'embauche d'Ernest, ce qui se comprend très bien.

Je fus surpris du congédiement de Bear Woods, mais ce fut une décision monétaire; jusqu'au jour de sa blessure, Dominique Tovell l'a très bien remplacé et le départ de Bear n'explique aucunement les résultats actuels. S.J. nous a manqué beaucoup plus que Bear.

Comme je l'écrivais hier, les départs certains/probables de vétérans tels: Nik Lewis, Chip Cox, Stefan Logan,John Bowman, Kyries Hebert,Ernest Jackson, Darian Durant et d'autres moins hauts salariés vont libérer un for montant de $$$$$$ pour signer certains de nos agents libres potentiels et certains de d'autres équipes.  La question numéro demeure toujours: Qui sera notre prochain quart-arrière? Sans un bon quart ce sera encore très difficile. Je n'ose même pas m'aventurer sur qui ce pourrait être.

Je sais que la patience a ses limites mais on devra être patient.

Richard

idealsheldon

Kavis wasn`t my 1st choice, like others I wanted Sunderland. But as a fan and with a new season giving renewed hope, I was willing to give him a chance.

However he`s had his chance, and it`s easy to see he`s not the guy to rebuild a team. He`s a culture guy, he`s not a personnel guy. And if I want culture I`ll go the the friggin opera. We need talented football players to compete with the elite teams, and there`s enough of a sample size to see Kavis (and Mack) are not the guys who are going to find them.

Would any other team hire Kavis as GM? Is he in the same league as a John Murphy, Sunderland, Buono, or even Popp? 

It kind of reminds me of the time Ronald Corey hired Rejean Houle to succeed Serge Savard. Another good guy, but in over his head.

But Richard I admire and respect your loyalty! 
I`m not always right, I just think I am.

CFL in QC

... That thinking led Kavis to draft Fabion Foote, who seems nowhere ready yet, as his 1st pick...
Meanwhile, Kwaku Boateng, drafted 41th, has 17 tackles and 4 sacks...

LeStaf

Je trouve plutôt mesquin de penser que Richard est payé pour écrire ce genre de propos.  Qui serions-nous pour avancer ce genre de ragot?  À quoi sert ce genre de procès-d'intention?

On peut être d'accord ou pas avec les propos de Richard, mais je ne vois pas dans sa loyauté un brin trop indéfectible envers les décisions de l'organisation une raison de l'invectiver de cette manière.  Critiquez ses propos comme HfxTC l'a fait, ce sera de bonne guerre.  Mais laissons les bassesses à d'autres, SVP.

Pour ma part, si Richard a de bons points dans son analyse de la situation, il demeure qu'objectivement, la présente saison a montré à quel point les décisions de personnel de Kavis Reed et Joe Mack a torpillé la profondeur de l'équipe.  Les blessures sont une chose, mais un bon DG doit s'assurer d'avoir des solutions de rechange viables.  Les Alouettes ont laissé aller Jacob Ruby, Mitchell White, Jake Piotrowski, et sont aujourd'hui incapables de boucher les trous avec les joueurs qu'ils ont en place.  Ils ont libéré Bear Woods très cavalièrement et se retrouvent aujourd'hui avec 2 recrues incapables de faire le travail à sa place.  Ils ont laissé partir Winston Venable et Jared Koster, en pensant que Boulay et Plesius pourraient faire le travail.  Ils ont pris le risque de laisser aller S. J. Green pensant qu'il ne serait pas remis de sa blessure.  Je peux leur accorder le bénéfice du doute pour Green, mais je pense qu'ils auraient dû tenter de le garder et lui donner sa chance.  À la limite, ils auraient pu avoir quelqu'un en retour durant la saison au lieu de n'avoir personne.

Mais surtout, ils se sont attachés financièrement à Durant sans se donner de marge de manœuvre. Durant joue comme un pied. Il est nul et donne présentement raison à Chris Jones.

Il y a plus que les blessures. Il y a de l'incompétence manifeste.  Le tandem Reed-Mack ne mènera nulle part.  Mack peut trouver des bons joueurs ça et là, mais pas assez pour avoir une équipe gagnante.  Je maintiens que s'ils demeurent à la barre des décisions de recrutement et de dépistage, les Alouettes vont fermer avant la prochaine décennie.  Ça me fait mal au cœur de dire ceci de quelqu'un que j'apprécie énormément personnellement (Kavis Reed), mais honnêtement, il n'est pas à sa place présentement.

Pour ma part, je préférerais un nouveau DG qui choisira son monde et qui nous dira que ça prendra 3 saisons à rebâtir l'équipe.  Ça aura l'honnêteté d'avancer quelque chose de réaliste et de permettre de bâtir en profondeur, non pas seulement pour la saison qui vient.
100 % d'accord avec ce post. (Bien que tu voulais probablement parler de Ryan White)
Effectivement, je voulais parler de Ryan White.

Je dirais également que les Alouettes ont laissé aller Anwar Stewart et Kris Sweet.  Le moins qu'on puisse dire, c'est que leurs remplaçants n'ont pas livré la marchandise.

tony

Kavis wasn`t my 1st choice, like others I wanted Sunderland. But as a fan and with a new season giving renewed hope, I was willing to give him a chance.

However he`s had his chance, and it`s easy to see he`s not the guy to rebuild a team. He`s a culture guy, he`s not a personnel guy. And if I want culture I`ll go the the friggin opera. We need talented football players to compete with the elite teams, and there`s enough of a sample size to see Kavis (and Mack) are not the guys who are going to find them.

Would any other team hire Kavis as GM? Is he in the same league as a John Murphy, Sunderland, Buono, or even Popp?

It kind of reminds me of the time Ronald Corey hired Rejean Houle to succeed Serge Savard. Another good guy, but in over his head.

But Richard I admire and respect your loyalty!
My question is this. If Kavis Reed was that good, why did he not get offers to be a GM or a HC after he was let go from Edmonton? Why did he come to the Als as their ST coach years later?

Same goes for Chapdelaine. Why did he bounce around and why was he not offered a HC position before?

And given Reed has been with the organization for the past couple of years, he should have know the players on the roster. He was not coming in as GM blind.

As you said Ideal, he had his chance and it's time to cut ties and move in another direction.
This organization has been on a downward slope for years and Reed failed in getting this turned around. This team is worse than last and the cupboards are bare the way I see it.

If this was the business world, do not think Management would be sitting there saying "give Reed another year".
Wettenhall seeing the empty seats, lost revenue, losing record, wonder if he is thinking the same
"give Reed another season".

Time will tell. 

And yes, have to admire Richard for his loyalty.

HfxTC

I think im gonna step away from this forum for a bit unless it is about laughing at this team. We already have another sports team in Montreal trying to feed us garbage that they will be a competitive team...
Well you won't be able to step away for very long, if your looking for laughs :)
Everything I write is just an opinion formed from various sources. Some more reliable than others, it is expressed as a composite of facts, innuendos, emotions, personal experiences and complete fabulation into a gumbo for entertainment purposes alone.

HfxTC

Kavis wasn`t my 1st choice, like others I wanted Sunderland. But as a fan and with a new season giving renewed hope, I was willing to give him a chance.

However he`s had his chance, and it`s easy to see he`s not the guy to rebuild a team. He`s a culture guy, he`s not a personnel guy. And if I want culture I`ll go the the friggin opera. We need talented football players to compete with the elite teams, and there`s enough of a sample size to see Kavis (and Mack) are not the guys who are going to find them.

Would any other team hire Kavis as GM? Is he in the same league as a John Murphy, Sunderland, Buono, or even Popp?

It kind of reminds me of the time Ronald Corey hired Rejean Houle to succeed Serge Savard. Another good guy, but in over his head.

But Richard I admire and respect your loyalty!
My question is this. If Kavis Reed was that good, why did he not get offers to be a GM or a HC after he was let go from Edmonton? Why did he come to the Als as their ST coach years later?

Same goes for Chapdelaine. Why did he bounce around and why was he not offered a HC position before?

And given Reed has been with the organization for the past couple of years, he should have know the players on the roster. He was not coming in as GM blind.

As you said Ideal, he had his chance and it's time to cut ties and move in another direction.
This organization has been on a downward slope for years and Reed failed in getting this turned around. This team is worse than last and the cupboards are bare the way I see it.

If this was the business world, do not think Management would be sitting there saying "give Reed another year".
Wettenhall seeing the empty seats, lost revenue, losing record, wonder if he is thinking the same
"give Reed another season".

Time will tell.

And yes, have to admire Richard for his loyalty.
They have no choice to liquidate Reed or he will cost way more in lost season tickets. He's done like dinner and what is he going to do better this offseason than he did last year. At least last year he had the benefit of the doubt from agents, players, and fans. Now he doesn't even have that. Which will complicate his work even more.

It is true that he will have pockets full of money, the problem is nobody will take it until they have exhausted better opportunities.

Now recruiting.... The best he could do was Joe Mack. He couldn't even retain Joey Ahbrams who as far as I can tell is on a sabbatical! He didn't even quit for another job. If they leave Reed in place. Watch Brendan Taman be hired by him! I'm serious. That's the only guy desperate enough to go work for Reed right now.

Reality is the choices at this point are Hervey or Barker and I suspect the conversation with them would be similar to Sunderland, maybe a little more flexible as they will become desperate if there are no other offers this off season.


GHT120

... That thinking led Kavis to draft Fabion Foote, who seems nowhere ready yet, as his 1st pick...
Meanwhile, Kwaku Boateng, drafted 41th, has 17 tackles and 4 sacks...
So EVERYBODY missed on him 3-5 times.
Let's  not confuse FACTS with OPINIONS
 


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