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Quote from: "Jindred313"
Just me or does Glenn look bad thus far? He is missing throws and it's making me nervous. I'm expecting a bad pick any time now.
With the field mouse you know them picks r coming - just don't know when!  :cowboy:

GC Bound

As far as I'm concerned, way to close for a convincing win at home.........if they win??? :cowboy:

GC Bound

There's a win!!!
Keep going.
Go Riders Go :cowboy:

ed ohmnes

There's your trade , now,  carter for franklin.,   Eskies  would love a receiver like Duron,  he's a real bright light to go with it, happy go lucky.  Except I would hate to lose him ,  I think he's good for this team.

JimmytheGreek

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There's your trade , now,  carter for franklin.,   Eskies  would love a receiver like Duron,  he's a real bright light to go with it, happy go lucky.  Except I would hate to lose him ,  I think he's good for this team.

I doubt the Eskimos would go for a straight up trade for anyone on our team for Franklin but perhaps throw JSJ  in the mix? If they would go for that I would do the deal in a heart beat. Sure Carter had a fantastic game and made an unreal catch and the dude certainly has talent but needs to show consistency. Where was that in the other 4 games and no I'm not referring to the circus catches as I don't expect him or anyone to make them on a game to game basis. I'm talking about the going out there and contributing with just solid play like Rosie does game in and game out. Heck I can put up with some trash talk by him if he backs it up with solid play. Still not a fan of it as other receivers make great catches and don't do it, but as I said at least if he was making good consistent plays I could let it slide.

It was a very good win which we needed but it still is a bit concerning that it took  Sears to make a mental error that  kept a drive alive to get the decisive score, otherwise I'm not so sure how this would have played out. Great and gutsy call on  the short kick as it caught the Argos completely off guard, too bad they didn't make hay on it but it did kill time and wore down the defense even more.

Again a good win which we needed badly. Now lets hope  they can  do it in BC.

Jindred313

Quote from: "JimmytheGreek "
Quote from: "ed ohmnes"
There's your trade , now,  carter for franklin.,   Eskies  would love a receiver like Duron,  he's a real bright light to go with it, happy go lucky.  Except I would hate to lose him ,  I think he's good for this team.

I doubt the Eskimos would go for a straight up trade for anyone on our team for Franklin but perhaps throw JSJ  in the mix? If they would go for that I would do the deal in a heart beat. Sure Carter had a fantastic game and made an unreal catch and the dude certainly has talent but needs to show consistency. Where was that in the other 4 games and no I'm not referring to the circus catches as I don't expect him or anyone to make them on a game to game basis. I'm talking about the going out there and contributing with just solid play like Rosie does game in and game out. Heck I can put up with some trash talk by him if he backs it up with solid play. Still not a fan of it as other receivers make great catches and don't do it, but as I said at least if he was making good consistent plays I could let it slide.

It was a very good win which we needed but it still is a bit concerning that it took  Sears to make a mental error that  kept a drive alive to get the decisive score, otherwise I'm not so sure how this would have played out. Great and gutsy call on  the short kick as it caught the Argos completely off guard, too bad they didn't make hay on it but it did kill time and wore down the defense even more.

Again a good win which we needed badly. Now lets hope  they can  do it in BC.


At this point I'm uncertain if it's been Carter who has caused his own inconsistency so far this season or if it has been a lack of Glenn throwing to him.
This game Glenn put it up there for Carter to go after and Carter kept making plays. Glenn wasn't doing that past games. Carter will almost certainly draw the teams #1 CB game in and game out and likely won't be totally open all the time. Gotta just put it up their and let him get it like they did this game.

I still worry about Carter though. He's the kind of guy who absolutely needs to get his hands on the ball, he needs to be in the spotlight, and when he is not he is liable to start making problems on the field and in the locker room. So if he has a few games in a row where he isn't getting the ball he could become a problem.  
It was nice to see Owens having talks with him on the sidelines during the game. Owens is a true team player.

Our play calling still needs to vastly improve. McAdoo still doesn't seem to understand what to call when a team is coming with consistently heavy pressure.

Jones has to stop calling the 3 man rush in 2nd and long situations. Giving Ricky Ray time, especially with solid receiving threats in place is a bad idea. Doesn't matter how good your coverage is, if you don't pressure the great QBs they will make a play. Will be worse against QBs who can run at all.

depopulationINC

Quote from: "JimmytheGreek "
Quote from: "ed ohmnes"
There's your trade , now,  carter for franklin.,   Eskies  would love a receiver like Duron,  he's a real bright light to go with it, happy go lucky.  Except I would hate to lose him ,  I think he's good for this team.

I doubt the Eskimos would go for a straight up trade for anyone on our team for Franklin but perhaps throw JSJ  in the mix? If they would go for that I would do the deal in a heart beat. Sure Carter had a fantastic game and made an unreal catch and the dude certainly has talent but needs to show consistency. Where was that in the other 4 games and no I'm not referring to the circus catches as I don't expect him or anyone to make them on a game to game basis. I'm talking about the going out there and contributing with just solid play like Rosie does game in and game out. Heck I can put up with some trash talk by him if he backs it up with solid play. Still not a fan of it as other receivers make great catches and don't do it, but as I said at least if he was making good consistent plays I could let it slide.

It was a very good win which we needed but it still is a bit concerning that it took  Sears to make a mental error that  kept a drive alive to get the decisive score, otherwise I'm not so sure how this would have played out. Great and gutsy call on  the short kick as it caught the Argos completely off guard, too bad they didn't make hay on it but it did kill time and wore down the defense even more.

Again a good win which we needed badly. Now lets hope  they can  do it in BC.

Yeah...zero chance that they would move him for Carter.  The real question is what exactly has Glenn been doing wrong that one would be unhappy with him?  He has been pretty darned solid and aside from the couple early and concerning picks has looked great.

Ray aside, he is right there for YPG (4th overall and only 6ypg from 2nd)
71% completion rate
2nd only to Harris in TD, with a game in hand.
2% int ratio (and has seemingly been lowering that)
104 QB rating

Any move for Franklin here and now (value goes down as the season progresses) is likely Bagg, JSJ and a swapping of picks that includes a Rider 1st round and a 3rd round Esk coming back.


Even further....Esks have arguably the best receivers in the league when healthy...but would likely like to improve their national depth there.  When healthy an argument can be made for Sask, BC and Edmonton as to whom has the best group.

depopulationINC

The O started a bit slow, but looked really good overall.  The run game was impressive....I thought they should run more when they were getting 7.2 yards per touch in the first half in effort to wear out that DL in the heat...but tough to argue with 18 attempts and 100+ yards.

D had some serious issues.  I thought SAM better...Rodgers had a bad bad game but was also not at 100%....Lyles was a liability a lot of times.  He is going to need to elevate or someone else needs a look.

ed ohmnes

I agree, but they still need to play one of the young q.b.'s to get some playing time imo. Somehow, maybe if they start winning by a large amount ?

ed ohmnes

That's good too, all I'm saying is we need to have an adequate back up, and it would be nice to get them some playing time, if that's possible

ed ohmnes

Bingo, finally someone is picking up what I'm trying to say, thank you.

depopulationINC

Watching a bit of the game and I am still just blown away when you compare the Rider success when bringing 4 vs bringing 3.  Amazing they still run that much 4.  

Toronto also lacked 2 of their best on the DL...so they definitely can not be sitting on their heels an relishing in the ground attack too much this week in practice...though they saw opportunity and struck at it, so well done there.

depopulationINC

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Quote from: "ed ohmnes"
I agree, but they still need to play one of the young q.b.'s to get some playing time imo. Somehow, maybe if they start winning by a large amount ?
Going back many years on a 2 QB system that prospered in one way or another is Tom Wilkinson and Warren Moon. Back then Wilky called is own plays - when the comfortable time came for Moon to come off the bench into the game was a classic to watch on another written chapter of the Edmonton Eskimos. As for Question - I'm ok with it, but the Rider team as a whole must be comfortable with it.

But who in the last 3 decades has had any success with this?  Nobody that I am aware of.

I would love to see it but it is just too evolved of a league now...especially when one mixes in salary cap.  The detail that goes into implementing a gameplan now is so advanced to even 10 years ago that it is pretty tough to do and be competitive with it.  QB is generally a position where the repetition allows them to refine things within a game and disrupting that can be tragic in results.  

Throwing someone in in garbage time...great.  Look at Calgary...massive lead at half so they had the opportunity to play 2nd string guys all around for a half a game....makes total sense.


How many games have been decided by 1 score or less this season...there is just not a lot of margin of error to do these things any more.

JimmytheGreek

But who in the last 3 decades has had any success with this?  Nobody that I am aware of.

I would love to see it but it is just too evolved of a league now...especially when one mixes in salary cap.  The detail that goes into implementing a gameplan now is so advanced to even 10 years ago that it is pretty tough to do and be competitive with it.  QB is generally a position where the repetition allows them to refine things within a game and disrupting that can be tragic in results.  

Throwing someone in in garbage time...great.  Look at Calgary...massive lead at half so they had the opportunity to play 2nd string guys all around for a half a game....makes total sense.


How many games have been decided by 1 score or less this season...there is just not a lot of margin of error to do these things any more.[/quote]
There are none in the last 30 years that I can remember either. But I do remember the Dunnigan/Printers controversy a dozen years ago - being a BC fan back then ended right then and there. Thus now I know why BigJimmyG is upset with Jones, Buono is the one who upsets me, ha ha gotta laugh at it really. And yea, the games this season have been exciting entertainment to watch. Jones was happy with the earned results that continued on into the locker room.[/quote]

If you think that I'm upset with how we are using our qb's  well then nope your dead wrong.  I wasn't happy about losing Darian but that is water under the bridge. I have no real issue with Glenn but I also have no delusions that he is the answer either. I believe Jones doesn't either so actually as far as having Glenn here for now is fine.  

Jones has ticked me off on some of his challenges and some of his refusal to adjust especially the defensive coverage until it was far too late. Yes I realize injuries dictate some things but still if you look back at the Bomber game and how many times we got burned until finally Jones brought more heat and less 3 man front. That is what ticks me off.

Jones actually had probably his best game as a HC in my opinion in the  last one (Toronto) he still challenged a very suspect play but I did hear that the commentators were saying Jones didn't think it was a penalty but Murphs and some spotters said to throw the flag. Of course it wasn't a penalty and we lost a time out but again if it was others that influenced Jones to throw it I will cut him some slack on that. Still though as the HC he should do what he feels is right.  

Yes it would be great to get the backups into games and see what we have or what we don't  but like Depop said most games don't allow that luxury unless your beating someone bad or getting beat bad. Hopefully the latter doesn't happen and I doubt the first is likely to happen either, so most likely unless Glenn gets hurt which no one (I hope) wants to happen the chances of seeing Bridge or Williams isn't great. Now if we are out of the playoffs again not what we need or want, then it would make sense to assess both Bridge and Williams.  So I guess the best we can hope for is Glenn to stay healthy and we are into the thick of things until the end.

GC Bound

Before I get on the big band wagon, the Riders need to "at least" split the Home and Home with BC  1-1.
If not, then we're basically back where we were before this win.....in it real deep. :cowboy:
 


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