Crash

Consecutive weeks now 3 times total (I think) we have done this. I get the idea of spreading it out and running some sort of option but this is going to come back to bite us.

Ive always been against handing the ball off at the 4 because 1 blown up play and you're in big trouble. Line up behind centre with JM and run the sneak. I think this is a product of Coach Jones not being in the CFL for a long time and not know how automatic it should be.

I'm pretty sure JM's percentage from the 1 is off the charts so I'm not sure why we're overthinking this one.

kfan

Line up for the sneak, but have Speedy or Gable coming across for an end around optional hand off, or a direct snap
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DisplacedCatsFan

I know that I'm not the only one who misses McMannus handing off to Julian Radlein.  That guy probably had the most 1-yd rushes for a TD ever...
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Killer91

I know that I'm not the only one who misses McMannus handing off to Julian Radlein.  That guy probably had the most 1-yd rushes for a TD ever...
Yes. Dan Lefevre is great at it too-worth money just for short yardages. As much as I love masoli, his sneaking knack sucks.  There's an art to it or maybe his arms are too short!

blackandgld

I agree with you Killer. Dan is the best when you need a yard IMO.
Radelin was such a bust but a big dude for sure. 1st round pick and 3rd overall that avg. 2.7 yards a carry for his career.
19 rushing TDs in his 5 seasons with the Cats. 386 career rushing yards. I remember him well.

Crash

The point is every other team in the league lines up from the 1 and does a sneak with (usually) their backup QB. If you get stuffed and want to give a different look that's fine. But the more this is put on tape the more chance their is that we get a play blown up on the 4 and people will be screaming.

DisplacedCatsFan

I agree with you Killer. Dan is the best when you need a yard IMO.
Radelin was such a bust but a big dude for sure. 1st round pick and 3rd overall that avg. 2.7 yards a carry for his career.
19 rushing TDs in his 5 seasons with the Cats. 386 career rushing yards. I remember him well.
Such a bust?  That massive 2.7 YPR stat only tells you a tiny part of the story.  Rads was a fullback in the classic sense.  He was the lead blocker for the running backs, and got the vast majority of his rush attempts in short-yardage and goal line situations.  When you line up on the opponent's 1-yd-line, that's as far as you have to go for a TD.  

Rads lined up about 5 yards back of DMac, an was in a full sprint as soon as the ball was actually snapped.  All Danny had to do was turn, and Rads was already there.  Virtually unstoppable.

Crash

I agree with you Killer. Dan is the best when you need a yard IMO.
Radelin was such a bust but a big dude for sure. 1st round pick and 3rd overall that avg. 2.7 yards a carry for his career.
19 rushing TDs in his 5 seasons with the Cats. 386 career rushing yards. I remember him well.
Such a bust?  That massive 2.7 YPR stat only tells you a tiny part of the story.  Rads was a fullback in the classic sense.  He was the lead blocker for the running backs, and got the vast majority of his rush attempts in short-yardage and goal line situations.  When you line up on the opponent's 1-yd-line, that's as far as you have to go for a TD.  

Rads lined up about 5 yards back of DMac, an was in a full sprint as soon as the ball was actually snapped.  All Danny had to do was turn, and Rads was already there.  Virtually unstoppable.
absolutely not a bust. comment makes no sense.

pikk

We won, lets be happy.

safetyblitz

I know that I'm not the only one who misses McMannus handing off to Julian Radlein.  That guy probably had the most 1-yd rushes for a TD ever...
When I think of sure things from the one yard line, I think of Blake Marshall's heydey with the Eskimos.

-Hammer-

Yeah, that one drove me absolutely crazy. Especially on a first down on the goal line, the automatic call should be QB Sneak. Even if you have a slow snap, you still are likely to have a QB or O.Line capable of pushing for a yard, and even if that doesn't work out, the risks are low. The chance of a fumble is very low, and stop amounts to 2nd down from the same position, it strikes be as silly to run anything else. 

We got burned twice this season running 1 yard converts from the backfield. I'd like to see us stop making the same mistake.

Chestmaster

Consecutive weeks now 3 times total (I think) we have done this. I get the idea of spreading it out and running some sort of option but this is going to come back to bite us.

Ive always been against handing the ball off at the 4 because 1 blown up play and you're in big trouble. Line up behind centre with JM and run the sneak. I think this is a product of Coach Jones not being in the CFL for a long time and not know how automatic it should be.

I'm pretty sure JM's percentage from the 1 is off the charts so I'm not sure why we're overthinking this one.
I'd rather not use JM on the dive forward short yardage plays. I trust Gable to get a yard 
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Crash

Consecutive weeks now 3 times total (I think) we have done this. I get the idea of spreading it out and running some sort of option but this is going to come back to bite us.

Ive always been against handing the ball off at the 4 because 1 blown up play and you're in big trouble. Line up behind centre with JM and run the sneak. I think this is a product of Coach Jones not being in the CFL for a long time and not know how automatic it should be.

I'm pretty sure JM's percentage from the 1 is off the charts so I'm not sure why we're overthinking this one.
I'd rather not use JM on the dive forward short yardage plays. I trust Gable to get a yard
You mean 4-5?

Crash

Just to play out the sequence... my thoughts are as follows.

1st down on the 1. Opponent has to stop us THREE times from the 1 on a sneak, cause you likely aren't losing yards. I don't care if its Masoli, Collaros, Goldson or Castillo, i'll bet the score rate on 3 sneaks from the 1 is over 90%.

If we go shotgun and the play gets blown up we're on the 3 or 4. Now a throwing down and you only get 2 shots.

Im honestly surprised anybody would take option 2... but that's why we live in this wonderful country.

blackandgld

I agree with you Killer. Dan is the best when you need a yard IMO.
Radelin was such a bust but a big dude for sure. 1st round pick and 3rd overall that avg. 2.7 yards a carry for his career.
19 rushing TDs in his 5 seasons with the Cats. 386 career rushing yards. I remember him well.
Such a bust?  That massive 2.7 YPR stat only tells you a tiny part of the story.  Rads was a fullback in the classic sense.  He was the lead blocker for the running backs, and got the vast majority of his rush attempts in short-yardage and goal line situations.  When you line up on the opponent's 1-yd-line, that's as far as you have to go for a TD.  

Rads lined up about 5 yards back of DMac, an was in a full sprint as soon as the ball was actually snapped.  All Danny had to do was turn, and Rads was already there.  Virtually unstoppable.
absolutely not a bust. comment makes no sense.
I expect more from a 3rd overall pick thus the bust comment but to each his own. 75 yards rushing/season was his avg. If you think that was a great career I am not sure what to say. Anyway, back on topic. As long as they are making the yardage i don't care if they line up in the wishbone. I think it is awfully hard to stop Gable short of a yard if you tell the other team what the play is the way he is running right now. Some time on the bench has really motivated Gable to play like the beast that he can be!
 


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