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Hate to break it to the Manziel haters but this aint over...yet
Good interview. Tillman’s comments could be taken either way:

1. Possible Manziel deal is still in play

OR

2. This is embarrassing and we don’t want to talk about it
Not sure why the Tiger cats should feel embarrassed by this situation.

They made a reasonable offer. They are waiting on Manziel and his ego to respond.

Iconic SR

Hate to break it to the Manziel haters but this aint over...yet
Good interview. Tillman’s comments could be taken either way:

1. Possible Manziel deal is still in play

OR

2. This is embarrassing and we don’t want to talk about it
Not sure why the Tiger cats should feel embarrassed by this situation.

They made a reasonable offer. They are waiting on Manziel and his ego to respond.
Was referring to June Jones excitement and declaration of JM becoming the highest paid player in the CFL, when clearly the TiCats actual offer to Manziel didn’t reflect anything near that. It appeared that June Jones and TiCats management were not at all on the same page. 

blackandgld

I would strongly disagree the Ticats weren't on the same page. I have heard nothing but positives from all Ticat management in regards to JM the football player.
Just because the Cats don't want to pay a new player what he is asking for does not make the management disjointed. This is all the negotiation game, trying to get the most value for salary cap $$$.

safetyblitz

Notice how Tillman artfully avoids answering the question about whether Hufnagel knew the Cats were planning to flip Hughes back to the west division, answering a different question than the question that was asked. Tillman obfuscates things by talking about how the Cats had genuine interest in Hughes originally, and downplays the fact that once Capicotti re-signed, the Cats still traded for Hughes with every intention of flipping him and conveniently didn't call Huf about it until *after* Hughes was Ticat property. Not that the Cats weren't acting within their rights, but Tillman is trying to leave people with the impression that they were honest with Huf about their intentions, which a careful factual reading of Tillman's comments shows wasn't *really* the case at all. Oh, but *after* Hughes was Ticat property, Tillman gave Huf a courtesy call to tell him what they were really going to do [eyeroll].

Again, not that the Ticats violated a rule, but we get this nauseating spin from Tillman to try to make it seem like the Cats were straight shooters in this deal, when they clearly weren't.

Grover



Tillman talking about Vernon Adams

We feel like his skill set is a good fit for June's offensive system and June and Kent are excited about our quarterbacking trio of Jeremiah [Masoli ] , Vernon and Dane Evans. There's been a lot of talk , speculation and stuff about our quarterbacking situation, but this is what matters - the guys in our locker room have total confidence in Jeremiah .

Reading between the lines here I'm thinking that it is closer to being over then ain't over yet for all the Manziel lovers out there ...
You can add another QB to that list, one with CFL experience and Hawaii roots.

http://ticats.ca/tiger-cats-sign-quarterback-moniz-and-two-offensive-linemen/

Moniz, 29, has suited up in 38 career CFL games with the Calgary Stampeders (2014-15) and Saskatchewan Roughriders (2016) as a backup and short-yardage quarterback, completing two of four passes for 29 yards and a touchdown, and adding 37 carries for 109 rushing yards and six rushing touchdowns. The 6-0, 205-pound native of Wahiawa, Hawaii, was a member of Calgary’s 2014 Grey Cup championship team.
Prior to turning pro, Moniz played three seasons at the University of Hawaii (2009-11) and threw for 10,169 yards and 75 touchdowns in 34 games. He also rushed for 512 yards and 13 touchdowns, and established a number of school records including 560 passing yards in one game (Nov. 20, 2010, against San Jose State) and seven passing touchdowns in one half (Sept. 24, 2011, against UC Davis).

http://3downnation.com/2018/02/08/ticats-add-another-quarterback-not-named-manziel/


Thanks to @Doc_Dave for sig

Iconic SR

I would strongly disagree the Ticats weren't on the same page. I have heard nothing but positives from all Ticat management in regards to JM the football player.
Just because the Cats don't want to pay a new player what he is asking for does not make the management disjointed. This is all the negotiation game, trying to get the most value for salary cap $$$.
I agree with almost everything here, except the confusion caused by June Jones comment (on social media no less) about Manziel becoming highest paid player in the league. Doesn’t that obviously then make Manziel’s and his agent’s expectations high?  

The team had the opportunity to manage some expectations here and instead went in the completely opposite direction. Manziel lives on social media, remember.

Count Floyd

Not liking how he didn't say much about re-signing Tasker & Dean.  I feel like Laurent may leave because he wants more $ again...not sure how much more they can pay him when there are cheaper & just as effective alternatives (Zack Evans).  Tasker & Dean have to be brought back, imo.
8)  I agree,  concentrate on getting Dean and Tasker  re-signed !!

     I would let Laurent walk.  He already is over paid for what he contributed last year.
     At 30 now, he could very easily price himself right out of the league, if he is demanding even
     what he made last year,  a reported $200-250,000 a year.

      You can get a great import tackle for half that money, who would be just as good as Ted, and
       they have options to make up for the ratio situation they would lose since Ted is a National !!
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/cfl-55-yard-line/star-defensive-tackle-ted-laurent-elects-to-stay-in-hamilton-005657279.html

According to this, when Laurent re-upped in 2016, he got 225k for his first year & 275k (!) last year.  No way can we pay him more than that!

schmenger

A well above average player who had a below average year. Definitely not worth that kind of money. Montreal will gladly take that money on.

Onemoredork

I would strongly disagree the Ticats weren't on the same page. I have heard nothing but positives from all Ticat management in regards to JM the football player.
Just because the Cats don't want to pay a new player what he is asking for does not make the management disjointed. This is all the negotiation game, trying to get the most value for salary cap $$$.
Stop making sense, please.

CatsFaninOttawa

I agree with almost everything here, except the confusion caused by June Jones comment (on social media no less) about Manziel becoming highest paid player in the league. Doesn’t that obviously then make Manziel’s and his agent’s expectations high?
Except that's not what Jones said. His actual statement was, "I think he’d (Manziel) be the best player to ever play up here." Not the highest paid player.

Unless I missed a different comment from Jones. Just checked his Twitter account, and didn't see anything. Could have missed it, though. (I find Twitter really annoying.)

ExPat


According to this, when Laurent re-upped in 2016, he got 225k for his first year & 275k (!) last year.  No way can we pay him more than that!

I spent about 6 hours today thinking Laurent had re-signed, based on a quick scan of the link you included (which I have not re-posted).  Kept wondering why 3DN or other sites were not reporting it.

Oh well.

Espo

if it makes you feel any better ExPat, Simoni Lawrence's twitter just posted a super vague 

"WELCOME BACK"

so....  there's that I guess....  maybe?
Extraordinary claims require extraodinary proofs

bobo82

if it makes you feel any better ExPat, Simoni Lawrence's twitter just posted a super vague

"WELCOME BACK"

so....  there's that I guess....  maybe?
then again maybe it's Dean that Simoni was tweeting about ? Stayed tuned for further developments as they say .
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Notice how Tillman artfully avoids answering the question about whether Hufnagel knew the Cats were planning to flip Hughes back to the west division, answering a different question than the question that was asked. Tillman obfuscates things by talking about how the Cats had genuine interest in Hughes originally, and downplays the fact that once Capicotti re-signed, the Cats still traded for Hughes with every intention of flipping him and conveniently didn't call Huf about it until *after* Hughes was Ticat property. Not that the Cats weren't acting within their rights, but Tillman is trying to leave people with the impression that they were honest with Huf about their intentions, which a careful factual reading of Tillman's comments shows wasn't *really* the case at all. Oh, but *after* Hughes was Ticat property, Tillman gave Huf a courtesy call to tell him what they were really going to do [eyeroll].

Again, not that the Ticats violated a rule, but we get this nauseating spin from Tillman to try to make it seem like the Cats were straight shooters in this deal, when they clearly weren't.
And how do we know that Hufnagel hasn't done it himself, or any other GM in this league??

No team can afford to ruffle any feathers when it comes to player deals as it's a small league and they will need to come back to this same team at a later date. Tillman, with his experience, would be all to aware of that.

Palmer

I suppose a trade is like a purchase or a gift.  Once the deal is made, the person who bought the item, or received the gift, is free to use it as they see fit, aren't they?  In Hufnagel's case, he maybe didn't anticipate Hughes staying in the West, or didn't care, as in reality, he will still only face him twice or maybe three times a year.  No big deal, I'm sure, plus he got what he wanted for his team.  And no doubt felt he had a suitable replacement for Hughes and probably didn't want another QB in the person of Adams anyway?

It is sort of like trading off a player who then rehabilitates his career, like Calvillo or maybe Collaros.  You can't ask for the guy back.
 


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