Palmer

I’d buy the “Austin called those short dump passes” if all receivers stayed within the 5 yards.  But they didn’t.  Austin would use 4 and 5 receiver sets, scattered all across and down the field, and still Zach seemed to look for Tasker, three or four yards downfield.  I agree he was spooked, and took far too many hits, but I still have to wonder why Jones never felt confident enough to put him back in.

Jones’ run and shoot requires both QB and receiver to read defences.  Maybe that was, and perhaps is, Zach flaw?  Not quick enough with his reads to move through the progressions, so he locks on the short yardage guy and throws that quick out?

my home team

"You do realize that Zach, in six years, has never played a complete season?  His best was 14 games for Toronto, and for Hamilton, 13 games."


And Ricky Ray has NOT played a complete season since 2011.

Bo Levi Mitchell has yet to play a complete season.

So, what's your point.

ExPat

"You do realize that Zach, in six years, has never played a complete season?  His best was 14 games for Toronto, and for Hamilton, 13 games."


And Ricky Ray has NOT played a complete season since 2011.

Bo Levi Mitchell has yet to play a complete season.

So, what's your point.
It's basically gibberish.  The way the CFL shows the stats, if you dress but don't see the field, it doesn't count you as having "played the game."

By the same measure, Masoli has never "played" more than 12 games (including in 2017 when we know he dressed for all 18 games), and only in the past two seasons has he "played" more than 3 games.

Collaros' stats

Masoli's stats

This is all based on Passing stats.  If you look at Rushing stats on the same page, the number of games played is completely different, with Masoli and Collaros each playing multiple 18-game seasons.

People use whatever stat they feel bolsters their argument.


my home team

"You do realize that Zach, in six years, has never played a complete season?  His best was 14 games for Toronto, and for Hamilton, 13 games."


And Ricky Ray has NOT played a complete season since 2011.

Bo Levi Mitchell has yet to play a complete season.

So, what's your point.
It's basically gibberish.  The way the CFL shows the stats, if you dress but don't see the field, it doesn't count you as having "played the game."

By the same measure, Masoli has never "played" more than 12 games (including in 2017 when we know he dressed for all 18 games), and only in the past two seasons has he "played" more than 3 games.

Collaros' stats

Masoli's stats

This is all based on Passing stats.  If you look at Rushing stats on the same page, the number of games played is completely different, with Masoli and Collaros each playing multiple 18-game seasons.

People use whatever stat they feel bolsters their argument.
But, Pat, if you dressed and yet "not saw the field" how can that count as playing??

Palmer

"You do realize that Zach, in six years, has never played a complete season?  His best was 14 games for Toronto, and for Hamilton, 13 games."


And Ricky Ray has NOT played a complete season since 2011.

Bo Levi Mitchell has yet to play a complete season.

So, what's your point.
Couple of points:

1.  Don’t care what Ricky Ray and Bo Levi Mitchell have or have not done.  This discussion is about what Zach Collaras has or has not done, and the supposed “right” he has to the QB position in Hamilton.

2.  Don’t agree that Zach Collaras has any pre-ordained right to the QB position in Hamilton as he has not in 5 years been able to complete a season while here.  The position is not his to claim, it is up to him to earn.

GOTC1

"You do realize that Zach, in six years, has never played a complete season?  His best was 14 games for Toronto, and for Hamilton, 13 games."


And Ricky Ray has NOT played a complete season since 2011.

Bo Levi Mitchell has yet to play a complete season.

So, what's your point.
Couple of points:

1.  Don’t care what Ricky Ray and Bo Levi Mitchell have or have not done.  This discussion is about what Zach Collaras has or has not done, and the supposed “right” he has to the QB position in Hamilton.

2.  Don’t agree that Zach Collaras has any pre-ordained right to the QB position in Hamilton as he has not in 5 years been able to complete a season while here.  The position is not his to claim, it is up to him to earn.
I have been saying that all along!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(#2) That Collaros should be given the right to challege
Masoli to the right to be #1.  THAT'S ALL I WANT!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE READ MY POST'S!
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TommyBoy1

"You do realize that Zach, in six years, has never played a complete season?  His best was 14 games for Toronto, and for Hamilton, 13 games."


And Ricky Ray has NOT played a complete season since 2011.

Bo Levi Mitchell has yet to play a complete season.

So, what's your point.
Couple of points:

1.  Don’t care what Ricky Ray and Bo Levi Mitchell have or have not done.  This discussion is about what Zach Collaras has or has not done, and the supposed “right” he has to the QB position in Hamilton.

2.  Don’t agree that Zach Collaras has any pre-ordained right to the QB position in Hamilton as he has not in 5 years been able to complete a season while here.  The position is not his to claim, it is up to him to earn.
I have been saying that all along!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(#2) That Collaros should be given the right to challege
Masoli to the right to be #1.  THAT'S ALL I WANT!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE READ MY POST'S!
Zach can never say he wasn't given a chance--- how many losses in a row constitute a chance?

Jeremiah is the one who wasn't given a fair chance -- at least, not until Jones showed up.

Zach was Austin's guy, and Jeremiah is Jones's guy. That's clear, and the evidence points to Jones being right.

Obrigardo

"You do realize that Zach, in six years, has never played a complete season?  His best was 14 games for Toronto, and for Hamilton, 13 games."


And Ricky Ray has NOT played a complete season since 2011.

Bo Levi Mitchell has yet to play a complete season.

So, what's your point.
Couple of points:

1.  Don’t care what Ricky Ray and Bo Levi Mitchell have or have not done.  This discussion is about what Zach Collaras has or has not done, and the supposed “right” he has to the QB position in Hamilton.

2.  Don’t agree that Zach Collaras has any pre-ordained right to the QB position in Hamilton as he has not in 5 years been able to complete a season while here.  The position is not his to claim, it is up to him to earn.
I have been saying that all along!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(#2) That Collaros should be given the right to challege
Masoli to the right to be #1.  THAT'S ALL I WANT!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE READ MY POST'S!
Zach can never say he wasn't given a chance--- how many losses in a row constitute a chance?

Jeremiah is the one who wasn't given a fair chance -- at least, not until Jones showed up.

Zach was Austin's guy, and Jeremiah is Jones's guy. That's clear, and the evidence points to Jones being right.
Ditto

Slomojo2005


IMHO. I'd rather have a Collaros of old, than a Masoli of new.
You do realize that Zach, in six years, has never played a complete season?  His best was 14 games for Toronto, and for Hamilton, 13 games.  And as someone pointed out earlier, this year he seemed to have lost his courage to challenge the defences, preferring 3-5 yard dumps, regardless of yardage needed, looking for the quick read.  How many of those short, less than 5 yard passes when we needed 7 or more, did we see?  And it wasn't just the O-line, he had Prime and Gable ("the best blocking back in the CFL") to protect him, which also took away the run game, and he still hung on to the ball and got sacked or rocked.

Posters keep blaming the O-line and the lack of a run game for Zach's abysmal year, ignoring that in most cases, when Jeremiah played, often half or more of the run yards came from Jeremiah.  It was he who opened the game for the running backs and made the play fake credible, not vice versa.

Harp all you like, Jeremiah is a credible CFL quarterback.  Maybe not a hall of famer, I grant you, but an everyday, get the job done or go down trying type of QB.  He had, and has, a better record that Zach, and in my mind is the current first stringer.  It should be up to Zach to dislodge him as our starter, not vice versa.  Who got bombed 60-1 in Calgary?  No other game score even came close.
You can blame Austin for all the 0-8 loses. He was calling the plays. He was the one who wanted
Collaros to throw the 5 yarders. He made it easy for the opposing defences to read our offence.
Sure Collaros was shell shocked. I don't blame him. Just because Masoli is a little more mobile
than Collaros I don't care. He still would'nt  do much better than Collaros with a Austin offence
IMHO I would prefer a more accurate passer than a more mobile QB. With Jones's offence
Collaros would be much more successful and there would be alot less 2 and out plays.
Masoli gets one or two long throws in a game that is successful and they look like they could have
been picked off by a better DB. When Collaros throws a long one it is bang on target.

Remember  Calvillo and the offensive line that protected him. Well the coaching staff that created
that line is just waiting to greet Collaros in Argoland.
And people like you are playing into their hands.

"For Heaven Sake Give Collaros a Fighting Change before you turn him over to the ARGOS"
I will be soooooo pissed 😡 ff if Zack is traded to R-Goes before being given a chance in the Hammer ( yes a chance with a decent O-line) I will invest in a double blue jersey with #4 on back!   Pure stupidity if Zack goes!!!

Slomojo2005

"You do realize that Zach, in six years, has never played a complete season?  His best was 14 games for Toronto, and for Hamilton, 13 games."


And Ricky Ray has NOT played a complete season since 2011.

Bo Levi Mitchell has yet to play a complete season.

So, what's your point.
Couple of points:

1.  Don’t care what Ricky Ray and Bo Levi Mitchell have or have not done.  This discussion is about what Zach Collaras has or has not done, and the supposed “right” he has to the QB position in Hamilton.

2.  Don’t agree that Zach Collaras has any pre-ordained right to the QB position in Hamilton as he has not in 5 years been able to complete a season while here.  The position is not his to claim, it is up to him to earn.
I have been saying that all along!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(#2) That Collaros should be given the right to challege
Masoli to the right to be #1.  THAT'S ALL I WANT!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE READ MY POST'S!
Zach can never say he wasn't given a chance--- how many losses in a row constitute a chance?

Jeremiah is the one who wasn't given a fair chance -- at least, not until Jones showed up.
t do it this past year 
Zach was Austin's guy, and Jeremiah is Jones's guy. That's clear, and the evidence points to Jones being right.
Ditto
How many playoff appearances or GC appearances has JM given us? He didn't do it this past year and don't blame it on Zack's 0-8.  JM should have done it if he was as good as some of you are saying!  He DID NOT !!

schmenger

Enter Johnny Manzeil. 

CrazyCanuck1988

I hope they go after Brandon Bridge.  It would be nice to have a Canadian quarterback in the Hammer. 

MtnCat

How many playoff appearances or GC appearances has JM given us? He didn't do it this past year and don't blame it on Zack's 0-8.  JM should have done it if he was as good as some of you are saying!  He DID NOT !!

Really? After coming in at 0-8 you are blaming JM?  A 6-4 record is not good enough proof?  I have been a Zack fan, but don't under estimate JM's potential.  Let them battle it out in tc next year.

GOTC1

How many playoff appearances or GC appearances has JM given us? He didn't do it this past year and don't blame it on Zack's 0-8.  JM should have done it if he was as good as some of you are saying!  He DID NOT !!

Really? After coming in at 0-8 you are blaming JM?  A 6-4 record is not good enough proof?  I have been a Zack fan, but don't under estimate JM's potential.  Let them battle it out in tc next year.
I agree let them battle it out in tc next year.  but a lot of posters here don't even what Zack to 
be at tc.  They want him traded,cut or take a pay cut(which he won't) before training camp. 
He needs to be given a shot with JJ offence.

stevehvh

I don't mind if they bring him back, or trade him (if they can get any sort of decent return), or cut him (if they can't) and save the money to spend elsewhere.

I don't agree he "needs" to be given a shot with JJ's offence. That's for JJ to decide. He had him on the team for more than half the season, saw him in practice. Seems like he decided. 
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- Hubert H. Humphrey
 


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