blackandgld

I don't mind the east-west stuff as long as it is not on 2nd and 6,7,8,9 or 10 yards. That was a big problem with Collaros this season was the 5 yard completion on 2nd and longer than 5.
Cats offense was very productive down the stretch. Masoli who used to be a turnover machine and had a knack for fumbling the ball at the worst time did a great job of not turning the ball over. This team can win with Masoli, save $$$ with him as QB, and keep the momentum we built rolling in the proper direction.
Unfortunately for those who prefer Collaros his time is coming to an end in Hamilton. I just hope we can get some value for him rather than releasing him.

bigjim2

I don't mind the east-west stuff as long as it is not on 2nd and 6,7,8,9 or 10 yards. That was a big problem with Collaros this season was the 5 yard completion on 2nd and longer than 5.
Cats offense was very productive down the stretch. Masoli who used to be a turnover machine and had a knack for fumbling the ball at the worst time did a great job of not turning the ball over. This team can win with Masoli, save $$$ with him as QB, and keep the momentum we built rolling in the proper direction.
Unfortunately for those who prefer Collaros his time is coming to an end in Hamilton. I just hope we can get some value for him rather than releasing him.
Too bad we can't do what the soccer guys do,  sell players to other teams.
Sell him to the Als or Argos for $500k cash,  and then they take care of his salary.

GOTC1

I don't mind the east-west stuff as long as it is not on 2nd and 6,7,8,9 or 10 yards. That was a big problem with Collaros this season was the 5 yard completion on 2nd and longer than 5.
Cats offense was very productive down the stretch. Masoli who used to be a turnover machine and had a knack for fumbling the ball at the worst time did a great job of not turning the ball over. This team can win with Masoli, save $$$ with him as QB, and keep the momentum we built rolling in the proper direction.
Unfortunately for those who prefer Collaros his time is coming to an end in Hamilton. I just hope we can get some value for him rather than releasing him.
Too bad we can't do what the soccer guys do,  sell players to other teams.
Sell him to the Als or Argos for $500k cash,  and then they take care of his salary.
IMHO.. I don't care how much a QB makes, as long as he produces and takes us to a GC. 
I want to see all three QB's play with the current offence(Masoli, Collaros and Manzeil) which ever
plays best , he is the one I will go with. If Manzeil take us to a GC and wins it , then leaves,fine, one
cup is all I want.  
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blackandgld

I don't mind the east-west stuff as long as it is not on 2nd and 6,7,8,9 or 10 yards. That was a big problem with Collaros this season was the 5 yard completion on 2nd and longer than 5.
Cats offense was very productive down the stretch. Masoli who used to be a turnover machine and had a knack for fumbling the ball at the worst time did a great job of not turning the ball over. This team can win with Masoli, save $$$ with him as QB, and keep the momentum we built rolling in the proper direction.
Unfortunately for those who prefer Collaros his time is coming to an end in Hamilton. I just hope we can get some value for him rather than releasing him.
Too bad we can't do what the soccer guys do,  sell players to other teams.
Sell him to the Als or Argos for $500k cash,  and then they take care of his salary.
IMHO.. I don't care how much a QB makes, as long as he produces and takes us to a GC.
I want to see all three QB's play with the current offence(Masoli, Collaros and Manzeil) which ever
plays best , he is the one I will go with. If Manzeil take us to a GC and wins it , then leaves,fine, one
cup is all I want.  
So you are fine with minimum salary players playing every other position then? Not even close to being a feasible option unfortunately. CFL salary cap is around $5.1 million. if you spend 20% of this on 3 QBs you will have a very weak team.

GOTC1

I don't mind the east-west stuff as long as it is not on 2nd and 6,7,8,9 or 10 yards. That was a big problem with Collaros this season was the 5 yard completion on 2nd and longer than 5.
Cats offense was very productive down the stretch. Masoli who used to be a turnover machine and had a knack for fumbling the ball at the worst time did a great job of not turning the ball over. This team can win with Masoli, save $$$ with him as QB, and keep the momentum we built rolling in the proper direction.
Unfortunately for those who prefer Collaros his time is coming to an end in Hamilton. I just hope we can get some value for him rather than releasing him.
Too bad we can't do what the soccer guys do,  sell players to other teams.
Sell him to the Als or Argos for $500k cash,  and then they take care of his salary.
IMHO.. I don't care how much a QB makes, as long as he produces and takes us to a GC.
I want to see all three QB's play with the current offence(Masoli, Collaros and Manzeil) which ever
plays best , he is the one I will go with. If Manzeil take us to a GC and wins it , then leaves,fine, one
cup is all I want.  
So you are fine with minimum salary players playing every other position then? Not even close to being a feasible option unfortunately. CFL salary cap is around $5.1 million. if you spend 20% of this on 3 QBs you will have a very weak team.
You obviously don't understand what I am saying. I am not saying to keep all three QB's ,that's nuts!
But each QB should have to prove he is better than the other two through T.C. and pregames.
Once you have decided, then keep one of the others at a backup QB salary. 
If you are afraid that your beloved Masoli might get beat out by Collaros, too dam bad!

Hammertown Proud

Not sure anyone is afraid of that.

Even JM!

Obrigardo

I don't mind the east-west stuff as long as it is not on 2nd and 6,7,8,9 or 10 yards. That was a big problem with Collaros this season was the 5 yard completion on 2nd and longer than 5.
Cats offense was very productive down the stretch. Masoli who used to be a turnover machine and had a knack for fumbling the ball at the worst time did a great job of not turning the ball over. This team can win with Masoli, save $$$ with him as QB, and keep the momentum we built rolling in the proper direction.
Unfortunately for those who prefer Collaros his time is coming to an end in Hamilton. I just hope we can get some value for him rather than releasing him.
Too bad we can't do what the soccer guys do,  sell players to other teams.
Sell him to the Als or Argos for $500k cash,  and then they take care of his salary.
IMHO.. I don't care how much a QB makes, as long as he produces and takes us to a GC.
I want to see all three QB's play with the current offence(Masoli, Collaros and Manzeil) which ever
plays best , he is the one I will go with. If Manzeil take us to a GC and wins it , then leaves,fine, one
cup is all I want.  
So you are fine with minimum salary players playing every other position then? Not even close to being a feasible option unfortunately. CFL salary cap is around $5.1 million. if you spend 20% of this on 3 QBs you will have a very weak team.
You obviously don't understand what I am saying. I am not saying to keep all three QB's ,that's nuts!
But each QB should have to prove he is better than the other two through T.C. and pregames.
Once you have decided, then keep one of the others at a backup QB salary.
If you are afraid that your beloved Masoli might get beat out by Collaros, too dam bad!
I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed

GOTC1

I don't mind the east-west stuff as long as it is not on 2nd and 6,7,8,9 or 10 yards. That was a big problem with Collaros this season was the 5 yard completion on 2nd and longer than 5.
Cats offense was very productive down the stretch. Masoli who used to be a turnover machine and had a knack for fumbling the ball at the worst time did a great job of not turning the ball over. This team can win with Masoli, save $$$ with him as QB, and keep the momentum we built rolling in the proper direction.
Unfortunately for those who prefer Collaros his time is coming to an end in Hamilton. I just hope we can get some value for him rather than releasing him.
Too bad we can't do what the soccer guys do,  sell players to other teams.
Sell him to the Als or Argos for $500k cash,  and then they take care of his salary.
IMHO.. I don't care how much a QB makes, as long as he produces and takes us to a GC.
I want to see all three QB's play with the current offence(Masoli, Collaros and Manzeil) which ever
plays best , he is the one I will go with. If Manzeil take us to a GC and wins it , then leaves,fine, one
cup is all I want.  
So you are fine with minimum salary players playing every other position then? Not even close to being a feasible option unfortunately. CFL salary cap is around $5.1 million. if you spend 20% of this on 3 QBs you will have a very weak team.
You obviously don't understand what I am saying. I am not saying to keep all three QB's ,that's nuts!
But each QB should have to prove he is better than the other two through T.C. and pregames.
Once you have decided, then keep one of the others at a backup QB salary.
If you are afraid that your beloved Masoli might get beat out by Collaros, too dam bad!
I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed
WHY!!!!

blackandgld

I don't mind the east-west stuff as long as it is not on 2nd and 6,7,8,9 or 10 yards. That was a big problem with Collaros this season was the 5 yard completion on 2nd and longer than 5.
Cats offense was very productive down the stretch. Masoli who used to be a turnover machine and had a knack for fumbling the ball at the worst time did a great job of not turning the ball over. This team can win with Masoli, save $$$ with him as QB, and keep the momentum we built rolling in the proper direction.
Unfortunately for those who prefer Collaros his time is coming to an end in Hamilton. I just hope we can get some value for him rather than releasing him.
Too bad we can't do what the soccer guys do,  sell players to other teams.
Sell him to the Als or Argos for $500k cash,  and then they take care of his salary.
IMHO.. I don't care how much a QB makes, as long as he produces and takes us to a GC.
I want to see all three QB's play with the current offence(Masoli, Collaros and Manzeil) which ever
plays best , he is the one I will go with. If Manzeil take us to a GC and wins it , then leaves,fine, one
cup is all I want.  
So you are fine with minimum salary players playing every other position then? Not even close to being a feasible option unfortunately. CFL salary cap is around $5.1 million. if you spend 20% of this on 3 QBs you will have a very weak team.
You obviously don't understand what I am saying. I am not saying to keep all three QB's ,that's nuts!
But each QB should have to prove he is better than the other two through T.C. and pregames.
Once you have decided, then keep one of the others at a backup QB salary.
If you are afraid that your beloved Masoli might get beat out by Collaros, too dam bad!
You are facing one major obstacle to your plan. Players are signed to contracts before the season, not after the preseason games. Once again you will have $540K ZC, $300Kish JM and whatever is needed to get Johnny Football signed and to camp. Can't and won't be done. The only way Zach is in camp next season is if Masoli walks.

GOTC1

I don't mind the east-west stuff as long as it is not on 2nd and 6,7,8,9 or 10 yards. That was a big problem with Collaros this season was the 5 yard completion on 2nd and longer than 5.
Cats offense was very productive down the stretch. Masoli who used to be a turnover machine and had a knack for fumbling the ball at the worst time did a great job of not turning the ball over. This team can win with Masoli, save $$$ with him as QB, and keep the momentum we built rolling in the proper direction.
Unfortunately for those who prefer Collaros his time is coming to an end in Hamilton. I just hope we can get some value for him rather than releasing him.
Too bad we can't do what the soccer guys do,  sell players to other teams.
Sell him to the Als or Argos for $500k cash,  and then they take care of his salary.
IMHO.. I don't care how much a QB makes, as long as he produces and takes us to a GC.
I want to see all three QB's play with the current offence(Masoli, Collaros and Manzeil) which ever
plays best , he is the one I will go with. If Manzeil take us to a GC and wins it , then leaves,fine, one
cup is all I want.  
So you are fine with minimum salary players playing every other position then? Not even close to being a feasible option unfortunately. CFL salary cap is around $5.1 million. if you spend 20% of this on 3 QBs you will have a very weak team.
You obviously don't understand what I am saying. I am not saying to keep all three QB's ,that's nuts!
But each QB should have to prove he is better than the other two through T.C. and pregames.
Once you have decided, then keep one of the others at a backup QB salary.
If you are afraid that your beloved Masoli might get beat out by Collaros, too dam bad!
You are facing one major obstacle to your plan. Players are signed to contracts before the season, not after the preseason games. Once again you will have $540K ZC, $300Kish JM and whatever is needed to get Johnny Football signed and to camp. Can't and won't be done. The only way Zach is in camp next season is if Masoli walks.
Anyone of them can be fired at anytime or traded, with no cost to the team. Zac and Masoli can
battle it out and if Zac wins, Masoli and his contract can be traded to another team.Visa-Versa.

Grover

It is reported that Collaros' $540K contract which expires after 2018 is "front end loaded".

This means that a large portion will be paid up front and due in Feb. and then a large portion for passing the physical the day before the beginning of Training Camp.

If it is going to happen,
I would think that Zach will be traded well before that second payment comes due.

Masoli is still under contract with us until he becomes a Free Agent in the middle of February

Thanks to @Doc_Dave for sig

GOTC1

It is reported that Collaros' $540K contract which expires after 2018 is "front end loaded".

This means that a large portion will be paid up front and due in Feb. and then a large portion for passing the physical the day before the beginning of Training Camp.

If it is going to happen,
I would think that Zach will be traded well before that second payment comes due.

Masoli is still under contract with us until he becomes a Free Agent in the middle of February
If thats true, I still don't think that Austin will make any rash decisions. He will have to make a 
decision about the HC job first, then discuss the QB postion with the new head coach. I think
Austin still believes in Collaros so they still may want to bring him to camp more money or not.

IMHO. I'd rather have a Collaros of old, than a Masoli of new.

Palmer


IMHO. I'd rather have a Collaros of old, than a Masoli of new.
You do realize that Zach, in six years, has never played a complete season?  His best was 14 games for Toronto, and for Hamilton, 13 games.  And as someone pointed out earlier, this year he seemed to have lost his courage to challenge the defences, preferring 3-5 yard dumps, regardless of yardage needed, looking for the quick read.  How many of those short, less than 5 yard passes when we needed 7 or more, did we see?  And it wasn't just the O-line, he had Prime and Gable ("the best blocking back in the CFL") to protect him, which also took away the run game, and he still hung on to the ball and got sacked or rocked.

Posters keep blaming the O-line and the lack of a run game for Zach's abysmal year, ignoring that in most cases, when Jeremiah played, often half or more of the run yards came from Jeremiah.  It was he who opened the game for the running backs and made the play fake credible, not vice versa.

Harp all you like, Jeremiah is a credible CFL quarterback.  Maybe not a hall of famer, I grant you, but an everyday, get the job done or go down trying type of QB.  He had, and has, a better record that Zach, and in my mind is the current first stringer.  It should be up to Zach to dislodge him as our starter, not vice versa.  Who got bombed 60-1 in Calgary?  No other game score even came close.

blackandgld

Well written Palmer...I enjoyed the read!

GOTC1


IMHO. I'd rather have a Collaros of old, than a Masoli of new.
You do realize that Zach, in six years, has never played a complete season?  His best was 14 games for Toronto, and for Hamilton, 13 games.  And as someone pointed out earlier, this year he seemed to have lost his courage to challenge the defences, preferring 3-5 yard dumps, regardless of yardage needed, looking for the quick read.  How many of those short, less than 5 yard passes when we needed 7 or more, did we see?  And it wasn't just the O-line, he had Prime and Gable ("the best blocking back in the CFL") to protect him, which also took away the run game, and he still hung on to the ball and got sacked or rocked.

Posters keep blaming the O-line and the lack of a run game for Zach's abysmal year, ignoring that in most cases, when Jeremiah played, often half or more of the run yards came from Jeremiah.  It was he who opened the game for the running backs and made the play fake credible, not vice versa.

Harp all you like, Jeremiah is a credible CFL quarterback.  Maybe not a hall of famer, I grant you, but an everyday, get the job done or go down trying type of QB.  He had, and has, a better record that Zach, and in my mind is the current first stringer.  It should be up to Zach to dislodge him as our starter, not vice versa.  Who got bombed 60-1 in Calgary?  No other game score even came close.
You can blame Austin for all the 0-8 loses. He was calling the plays. He was the one who wanted 
Collaros to throw the 5 yarders. He made it easy for the opposing defences to read our offence.
Sure Collaros was shell shocked. I don't blame him. Just because Masoli is a little more mobile 
than Collaros I don't care. He still would'nt  do much better than Collaros with a Austin offence
IMHO I would prefer a more accurate passer than a more mobile QB. With Jones's offence 
Collaros would be much more successful and there would be alot less 2 and out plays. 
Masoli gets one or two long throws in a game that is successful and they look like they could have
been picked off by a better DB. When Collaros throws a long one it is bang on target.

Remember  Calvillo and the offensive line that protected him. Well the coaching staff that created
that line is just waiting to greet Collaros in Argoland.
And people like you are playing into their hands.

"For Heaven Sake Give Collaros a Fighting Change before you turn him over to the ARGOS"
 


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