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Does anybody else find it astonishing that there is a thread about Manziel that is currently 58 pages long and has over 37000 views? A guy who has proven nothing in any pro league and has never even thrown a down in the CFL. :o

Yet, we have a guy in Masoli who has studied the game for the last few years, made remarkable progress and has proven in his last 10 games or so that he is a legitimate starter in the CFL. Why doesn't everyone rally behind Jeremiah instead of being so mesmerized by Pipe Dream Johnny?

I remember a few years ago there was endless pining on this forum for Sam Giguere. This guy was going to be the greatest thing ever. Eventually he got here and how did that work out? The same thing is now happening with Manziel. So many endless posts about this guy that you would think we don't even have any other QBs signed right now.

Masoli and Adams are the Cats future right now. How about we all jump off the Manziel bandwagon right now and show our current QBs some love and respect? I want to see the Manziel thread drop to page 3 by next week. ;)
probably a bit of lack of faith in Masoli. He good, but maybe not good enough.
That is exactly it, right on the nail.  Love Masoli but not “the guy”.  Hope he proves me/us wrong and I’ll then chat about him for 60pages.
I also agree with the above. Masoli I consider average at best. He may get us
to the playoffs but not to the Big Dance. He always looks rushed out here,
even with a good Oline. He needs to read Defences better and make audibles
at the line. This would reduce his rushing and complete more plays.
Hes just not ready yet.  
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blackandgld

So did Collaros have a bad OLine and Masoli a good one?
interior was the same 3 all season
We had Fulton who was good enough to get picked up By Montreal at tackle and replaced him with Washington who was bad enough to get cut from Edmonton.
Masoli made the line better and the running game better with his mobility.

Give the guy credit. He was awesome for the Cats last season.

Onemoredork

HTC fans have always been fair and even handed when it comes to its QBs. 
Accurate in criticism and generous with praise. 
I dont think Masoli has anything to worry about.

Krisiun


That is exactly it, right on the nail.  Love Masoli but not “the guy”.  Hope he proves me/us wrong and I’ll then chat about him for 60pages.
I also agree with the above. Masoli I consider average at best. He may get us
to the playoffs but not to the Big Dance. He always looks rushed out here,
even with a good Oline. He needs to read Defences better and make audibles
at the line. This would reduce his rushing and complete more plays.

Hes just not ready yet.
 
How do you know he is not ready? When he took over from Zach last year the guy looked like he had noticeably improved from previous years. Furthermore with each passing game he started to solidify his confidence as well as most of the fans confidence in him. Now he has had an entire off-season to prepare for the 2018 season as the expected starter. I'm sure he worked his tail off both physically and mentally, studying film and learning the June Jones playbook front to back. This year is Masoli's big chance and I think he will want to kick ass to prove the naysayers wrong. The guy is durable and seems like a very humble and likeable teammate. Complete opposite of that other guy in that other thread. 8)

I can see the whole team rally around Jeremiah which is a really good thing.

Krisiun

Krisiun:  How do you think Jeremiah will do this year?
lol . Well I'm not Krisiun but here are my top #6 predictions for the "REAL" QB with the initials "JM" for this upcoming season.

* Eastern All-Star selection for QB
* Team nominee and Eastern winner year end MOP award
* Minimum of 25 to a max of 30 + TD passes thrown on the season
* Over 5000+ yds total passing on season
* Starting QB in at minimum 10 wins this season for the team .
* Starting QB for the East Champion Ti-Cats in Grey Cup 2018 .

Lofty goals ? You betcha , But there is absolutely no reason to think that they can't and won't be achieved .

So any disputes with my fearless predictions ? All you doubters might as well get them out of the way right now because I'd love to hear them . Oh , and for all you doubters out there ?
By all means please bookmark this page.......because trust me.....It's going to happen !!!  8)

In Masoli we trust !!!
I agree with all of the above. With a healthy receiving corps and improved O-Line most of the listed predictions could indeed become a reality.

Another reason to be optimistic is that Masoli seems to have a body build with a more lower centre of gravity and seems to be able to evade injury. All you need to do is check out how many teams in the last few years had their seasons completely derailed when their QB sustained a long term injury (Durant, Ray, Lulay, Collaros). When Masoli gets buried in the backfield he has a high probability of getting back into the huddle which would be a big confidence boost to the team and fans.

DisplacedCatsFan

So did Collaros have a bad OLine and Masoli a good one?
interior was the same 3 all season
We had Fulton who was good enough to get picked up By Montreal at tackle and replaced him with Washington who was bad enough to get cut from Edmonton.
Masoli made the line better and the running game better with his mobility.

Give the guy credit. He was awesome for the Cats last season.
What a joke of a post.
Collaros had pylons for Tackles, allowing DEs to get to him unimpeded within 2 seconds.  There was literally NO time to make a play.
Of course, the fact that there was no running game, maybe because Zach had to call audibles to let Gable block the inevitable blitz on every play.
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Slomojo2005

So did Collaros have a bad OLine and Masoli a good one?
interior was the same 3 all season
We had Fulton who was good enough to get picked up By Montreal at tackle and replaced him with Washington who was bad enough to get cut from Edmonton.
Masoli made the line better and the running game better with his mobility.

Give the guy credit. He was awesome for the Cats last season.
The “better” was all do to attitude change following Austin step down.  Granted Masoli had to perform also in order to get the victories we did.  But, not the guy to get us over the top.  Hope I’m wrong but not likely based on what I have seen.  Agree with most of the other stuff in thread.

Slomojo2005

So did Collaros have a bad OLine and Masoli a good one?
interior was the same 3 all season
We had Fulton who was good enough to get picked up By Montreal at tackle and replaced him with Washington who was bad enough to get cut from Edmonton.
Masoli made the line better and the running game better with his mobility.

Give the guy credit. He was awesome for the Cats last season.
What a joke of a post.
Collaros had pylons for Tackles, allowing DEs to get to him unimpeded within 2 seconds.  There was literally NO time to make a play.
Of course, the fact that there was no running game, maybe because Zach had to call audibles to let Gable block the inevitable blitz on every play.
I agree totally Displaced.  The O-line was out to lunch and came back to work once Austin left.  Results was Not about anything more than attitude change.

ExPat


Of course, we also have a tradition here (more recent, as in 2017 vintage) of benching a struggling QB instead of coaching him through difficulties.  That tactic may be less likely this year without a #2 guy who is ready to start.
"Recent" would have to be the operative word here!  One of the big complaints about Kent Austin over the previous years was his refusal to pull the QB and give game reps to the back-ups, including Masoli.  As I recall, he swapped Henry Burris a bit in that Guelph play-off game (much to Burris' everlasting complaining), but unless Collaros was injured, I seem to recall that Austin tended to leave him in.  Indeed, when Zach did get injured, the cry from disappointed fans was that our back-ups were totally unprepared, resulting in our early exit.

Even last year, there was a hard-core group that wanted Jones to re-insert Collaros, just to "see what he could do" under the Jones offensive system.  And, perhaps that is your reference, but don't forget, Austin stuck with Collaros through 12 straight losses, until Jones substituted Masoli, even though Masoli had performed quite well during Zach's injury time.
I think we're talking about two different things.  Yes, Austin clearly neglected to give any playing time to backup QBs in 2015, and it cost us the season when those backups were forced to play.  But it's not because he stuck with a struggling starter - he stuck with a firing-on-all-cylinders starter even when we had multi-TD leads.  It's what made it all the more frustrating.  

My 2017 reference was based on a theory that perhaps Collaros was having issues that could be fixed through coaching.  And if Masoli should have any issues in 2018, I hope they attempt to fix it through coaching.  That's all.  Didn't mean to restart the Collaros Wars. 

The only way we will really know the answer is by watching Zach play in Sask.  If he returns to 2015 form, then it supports the argument that he should have been given another chance here.  If he sucks, then we did the right thing in moving him out. 

guelphcatsfan

I don't buy the "attitude change" on the O-Line argument.  That doesn't make sense to me.  During the Austin era we saw the team cycle through a host of O-Line men - some of whom caught on with other teams.  I for one was deeply critical of the line (especially Peter D).  But I think the change in play calling when Jones took over made the difference.

The absence of a running game is fatal to any O-Line and was the Achilles heel of Austin's game.  

Masoli is probably most dangerous when he's on the run.  His mobility compensated for any weaknesses on the line and I think the play calling was generally better in the last half of the season.

Masoli has had flashes of brilliance (like his record setting night in Edmonton) but he also takes some cringe inducing sacks well behind the line of scrimmage.  Fun to watch, for sure, but 'Jeremiah the Ti-Cat Mesiah'? I don't know.

P.S.  Everyone once in a while I see a thread that I wish I had started - this is top of the list.  Kudos to Krisiun for starting this one!

blackandgld

So did Collaros have a bad OLine and Masoli a good one?
interior was the same 3 all season
We had Fulton who was good enough to get picked up By Montreal at tackle and replaced him with Washington who was bad enough to get cut from Edmonton.
Masoli made the line better and the running game better with his mobility.

Give the guy credit. He was awesome for the Cats last season.
What a joke of a post.
Collaros had pylons for Tackles, allowing DEs to get to him unimpeded within 2 seconds.  There was literally NO time to make a play.
Of course, the fact that there was no running game, maybe because Zach had to call audibles to let Gable block the inevitable blitz on every play.
Sorry, Collaros was the joke last season. Made history he was so bad. Dude was horrible and afraid. DLine just pinned their ears back and came at him. I used to be a fan of Zach the player. I am no more.

Crash

So did Collaros have a bad OLine and Masoli a good one?
interior was the same 3 all season
We had Fulton who was good enough to get picked up By Montreal at tackle and replaced him with Washington who was bad enough to get cut from Edmonton.
Masoli made the line better and the running game better with his mobility.

Give the guy credit. He was awesome for the Cats last season.
What a joke of a post.
Collaros had pylons for Tackles, allowing DEs to get to him unimpeded within 2 seconds.  There was literally NO time to make a play.
Of course, the fact that there was no running game, maybe because Zach had to call audibles to let Gable block the inevitable blitz on every play.
Sorry, Collaros was the joke last season. Made history he was so bad. Dude was horrible and afraid. DLine just pinned their ears back and came at him. I used to be a fan of Zach the player. I am no more.
So you expect that type of play to continue in Sask correct? 

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bobo82

The only way we will really know the answer is by watching Zach play in Sask.  If he returns to 2015 form, then it supports the argument that he should have been given another chance here.  If he sucks, then we did the right thing in moving him out.
Good luck with Collaros regaining his 2015 form . I can't see it happening considering all the biatching  around these parts about how bad our O-Line was last year when Collaros started here ? Believe me looking at who the Riders have on their current O-Line ? OUCH !!! If Zach lasts more than 6 games before being Smoked and ILed behind that line in Saskie , I'll be totally shocked  :o

 Corky better be upgrading in that department and fast if he wants to keep Zach upright this season . Believe me if he doesn't it will be a virtual repeat on the prairies to what we saw here last year in the first 8 games of the season for those Rider fans . I personally wouldn't be at all surprised in the least if Brandon Bridge takes over at some point during this upcoming season . It will be either because of one of two things happening or a combination of both....the 2018 version of  Zach turns out to be circa the 2017 version of Zach and nowhere near the 2015 version....or Zach winds up in the tub and on the sidelines in civvies after being injured running for his life behind a very bad O-Line in Saskie this season .
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blackandgld

So did Collaros have a bad OLine and Masoli a good one?
interior was the same 3 all season
We had Fulton who was good enough to get picked up By Montreal at tackle and replaced him with Washington who was bad enough to get cut from Edmonton.
Masoli made the line better and the running game better with his mobility.

Give the guy credit. He was awesome for the Cats last season.
What a joke of a post.
Collaros had pylons for Tackles, allowing DEs to get to him unimpeded within 2 seconds.  There was literally NO time to make a play.
Of course, the fact that there was no running game, maybe because Zach had to call audibles to let Gable block the inevitable blitz on every play.
Sorry, Collaros was the joke last season. Made history he was so bad. Dude was horrible and afraid. DLine just pinned their ears back and came at him. I used to be a fan of Zach the player. I am no more.
So you expect that type of play to continue in Sask correct?
WELL, his receivers are premium in Sask, defense strong. I don't know much about his OLine other than what Bobo writes. Do i think he will lose every game again? NO, do I think Masoli will outplay Zach this season HELL YA!!!
 


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