Espo

Back then nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "5 bees for a quarter?" we used to say.
Anyway , we took the train to Argo games with onions tied to our belts...
which was the style at the tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiwwwwake up!
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Frank Cosentino was a Canadian QB born in Hamilton & 2018 HOF
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Cosentino

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https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/video/should-jones-integrate-manziel-into-ticats-gameplan~1436080

   Best way to develop a QB ,give them some actual game playing time , we all know it.
      Why is it seldom done.
    Mike OShea has done it in Winnipeg .
   Jones in Sask Strong.
    Are these the only progressive CFL Coaches in the game today?
 Remember when Zac went down ,we were up in the game score (I believe) but the game went totally down hill because our back up QB's had next to zero game time .
  Dumb coaching ,or just conservative ol boys club covering their "jobs"?
    Take a walk on the wild side and entertain fans coaches!

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I think a coach goes with his best chance at winning and that is often the starter. Unless some comfort threshold is achieved (i.e. a big lead or the backup is really ready) then #2 will still sit. I trust June knows what he's doing.

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It's just not long term planning for the inevitable injury ,then the un-seasoned QB comes in...in the Playoffs for example and we're done.
 During the regular season there are opportunities to sit the starter for a series , ...{banging head on wall :0)...}
 

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Ralph Sazio was Coach when Zuger and Cosentino came in for injured Bernie Faloney.
  Amazing read from those years below,Zuger was a Defensive Back and Punter when he came in for injured Faloney as QB ! Amazing! 
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Palmer

Ralph Sazio was Coach when Zuger and Cosentino came in for injured Bernie Faloney.
  Amazing read from those years below,Zuger was a Defensive Back and Punter when he came in for injured Faloney as QB ! Amazing!
Yes, that was the custom then, when the QB's nationality was counted in the ratio, and before the 'designated import' rules.  Back-up QBs were either Canadian, but if American, played another position on a regular basis.  Often DB, but occasionally RB like Jackie Parker or Kenny Ploen among others.  I think I recall that Zuger had a shoulder injury one year and as a result went to the team with a 'play me at QB or trade me' request, perhaps around the time that Faloney was retiring.  The team agreed and the rest, as they say, is history. 

Kickers were usually position players who also punted, or did the kick-offs, FGs and converts.  I don't recall many, if any, 'specialists', nor any who did all three kicking jobs.  They often had to change their foot-wear to make the kick, particularly the FGs and converts, because they were 'straight-on' kickers and the toe of the kicking shoe was squared off.  Don't remember if the officials allowed a little extra time to accommodate the shoe change?  Tommy Joe Coffey, and I seem to think Paul Deckker, were two FG and convert guys, around the same time as Joe Zuger.

With the increase in rosters, and the change in the QB ratio designations, the era of playing back-up QBs disappeared, and kickers became specialists.

ExPat

  Best way to develop a QB ,give them some actual game playing time , we all know it.
      Why is it seldom done.
    Mike OShea has done it in Winnipeg .
What was O’Shea’s alternative?

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O'Shea had no alternative but play a backup when the starter went down in training camp ,true.
Last game is what TSN was referring to in the link below ...
"Despite Matt Nichols' return, Blue Bombers coach Mike O'Shea still found a way to integrate Chris Streveler into his gameplan against the Lions"

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PatLynch


Chet Mikza was the centre and also kicked converts, field goals and kickoffs in the Faloney era . Don Sutherin was primarily a DB who followed after Chet. Sutherin could also play running back . Moe Racine and Bobby Jack Oliver were OLinemen who kicked for the Ottawas and the Als. The Argos Dave Mann was a receiver, as well as an excellent punter.

There were a lot of multi-taskers in those days . Of course Rod Black's favourite Tasker wasn't. One of my favourites was Dave Marler ( a different era) who was a quarterback, punter, and also kicked field goals and converts. Marler, Faloney, and Zuger gave the Cats the extra weapon of quick kicking which you seldom see anymore.

Pat Lynch (the old guy who remembers Paul Dekker as just a very large and good tightend)

Tipper

Ralph Sazio was Coach when Zuger and Cosentino came in for injured Bernie Faloney.
  Amazing read from those years below,Zuger was a Defensive Back and Punter when he came in for injured Faloney as QB ! Amazing!
8) Actually Ralph Sazio was the DC in 1962 when Zuger came in and set that record !!

    Ralph took over as HC in 1963-1967 !!  4 Grey Cup appearances and 3 Grey Cup wins in those 5 
    years !!   Without a doubt the best HC in CFL history for that length of time   :D

Eagle

Chet Mikza was the centre and also kicked converts, field goals and kickoffs in the Faloney era . Don Sutherin was primarily a DB who followed after Chet. Sutherin could also play running back . Moe Racine and Bobby Jack Oliver were OLinemen who kicked for the Ottawas and the Als. The Argos Dave Mann was a receiver, as well as an excellent punter.

There were a lot of multi-taskers in those days . Of course Rod Black's favourite Tasker wasn't. One of my favourites was Dave Marler ( a different era) who was a quarterback, punter, and also kicked field goals and converts. Marler, Faloney, and Zuger gave the Cats the extra weapon of quick kicking which you seldom see anymore.

Pat Lynch (the old guy who remembers Paul Dekker as just a very large and good tightend)
Let's not forget  Garney Henley.
Probably the best 2-position player to play in the CFL, ever.

Grey Cup 1972 - Chuck Ealy, and Henly played both offense, & defense.

The Eagle.. 

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Met Garney the year he was honoured.
 Funny thing he said was " it was easier to play both ways because you didn't have to run to the bench ,just stayed on the field".....

schmenger

I admire the coaching philosophy that has several package plays for the the starter and the backup. Having a quarterback hold a clipboard is stupid. Reps in game situations builds and creates opportunities for the backup to get better. 

Mark

Back then nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "5 bees for a quarter?" we used to say.
Anyway , we took the train to Argo games with onions tied to our belts...
Not GARLIC?
 


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