rpaege

I suspect the real reason the Big Owe still exists is because a covered stadium can temporarily house, or imprison, tens of thousands. 

The Last Word

...while the athletes train here the actual jumps themselves are not well utilized...in a nutshell, they face the wrong way...prevailing winds come from the west and the jumps face virtually due north, so a cross wind is almost always in effect and this makes actual flying on the big jumps difficult...the skiers use the COP facility for dry land training and the smaller jumps for technique training but when it come to actual big jump flying then it’s off to Whistler or Europe for this, unless the wind is blowing right...

....the cost decision I spoke of is not so much the jumps themselves, they are in fine shape, but more so the viewing stands and media boxes...those disintegrated after the 88 games...ski flying is not a big sport after all....
That's unfortunate. I remember these things being touted as 'best in the world' when the taxpayer was asked to pay for them.
They were among the best in the world 30 years ago.  The mod is also correct in saying the boxes and stands had disintegrated long ago.  I remember visiting the Calgary Olympic Village in the late 90s and those stands had pretty much crumbled/rotted away.

brianjoxx

Montreal at top of list.
With the next round of new roof million$ now allocated to the Big Owe, Montreal won't be getting a new stadium in a long, long time.

Why can't these huge Canadian cities support their teams and make this stuff a no brainer?
Despite being a huge CFL fan - If I was a Calgary resident I would be saying to my councillor: "Why should we contribute anything to a new stadium when the major tenant Stampeders can't even fill their existing one?"

That's the Calgary problem. The Stamps ownership group thinks they can play hardball, but they don't have a compelling case to woo the city with. It would be different if Stamps fans were flocking to support their league leading club. But they aren't. Sad actually. Very sad.

Nenshi got elected by millenials and the mid centre left. They don't flock to games either, except soccer. I think the Stamps need to desperately woo the soccer community and cost share a new place.
well said thanks
If the stadium is workable/safe, the Stamps will have to live with it.  They should have build a new stadium when Alberta was booming.  

If the Feds want to kick in money for a new stadium, I'm okay with it.  ;)
Yeah I don't have a problem with feds using infrastructure $ for stadiums and arenas either. Within reason tho. The P3 structure can work so well when there are a defined group of stakeholders, but the absence of any Calgary city equity to date makes it very difficult to sell any new stadium to the civic taxpayer. And I can't see the feds throwing $ at it unless the city and province does. And Rachel Notley's socialist agenda conflicts with Stamps private ownership interests. If it was a community owned club I think a stadium would have already been announced.  
Exactly RIGHT.

Iconic SR

...while the athletes train here the actual jumps themselves are not well utilized...in a nutshell, they face the wrong way...prevailing winds come from the west and the jumps face virtually due north, so a cross wind is almost always in effect and this makes actual flying on the big jumps difficult...the skiers use the COP facility for dry land training and the smaller jumps for technique training but when it come to actual big jump flying then it’s off to Whistler or Europe for this, unless the wind is blowing right...

....the cost decision I spoke of is not so much the jumps themselves, they are in fine shape, but more so the viewing stands and media boxes...those disintegrated after the 88 games...ski flying is not a big sport after all....
That's unfortunate. I remember these things being touted as 'best in the world' when the taxpayer was asked to pay for them.
They were among the best in the world 30 years ago.  The mod is also correct in saying the boxes and stands had disintegrated long ago.  I remember visiting the Calgary Olympic Village in the late 90s and those stands had pretty much crumbled/rotted away.
What is it about publicly funded Olympic venues that fall into disarray once the Olympic fever is past? When these things are built the budgets are agreed upon for maintenance and upkeep over the years, but it seems someone is taking the money and running. Why build them if they're not going to be maintained? Can't attract additional events if the stands aren't there anymore.

RedandWhite

...when was the last time you were eagerly waiting to attend the next ski flying event?  I don't have any penciled in on my calendar either...although I would be somewhat interested in buying a ticket if COP held an amateur-only night on the 90m jump...

...for what it's worth, all of the other facilities are still in great shape, making the bid possible...the Saddledome functions as an NHL arena, and non-professional sports facilities like the speed skating arena, the bobsled/luge track are still viable well-maintained and completely usable facilities...for the ski jumps, the jump structures and landing areas are perfectly fine, the stuff that disintegrated is a bunch of wooden benches and some crappy press boxes...

...one of the '88 Olympic legacies actually is the fact that the facilities, and therefore the training abilities of our Olympic athletes, remained funded through the CODA initiative...here, read up:

https://www.winsport.ca/files/mediaCentre_facilities_factSheet.pdf
There is no dark side of the moon really. Matter of fact it's all dark.

prairiewolf77

R&W is correct, all the other venues are still being used.
The jump isn't being used competitively due to safety as the top jumpers in the world would out jump the safe landing area at Canada Olympic park. 

RedandWhite

The jump isn't being used competitively due to safety as the top jumpers in the world would out jump the safe landing area at Canada Olympic park.
...lol, did not know that...makes sense I guess as the sport has evolved a lot in 30 years with new equipment and techniques...

Iconic SR

...when was the last time you were eagerly waiting to attend the next ski flying event?  I don't have any penciled in on my calendar either...although I would be somewhat interested in buying a ticket if COP held an amateur-only night on the 90m jump...

...for what it's worth, all of the other facilities are still in great shape, making the bid possible...the Saddledome functions as an NHL arena, and non-professional sports facilities like the speed skating arena, the bobsled/luge track are still viable well-maintained and completely usable facilities...for the ski jumps, the jump structures and landing areas are perfectly fine, the stuff that disintegrated is a bunch of wooden benches and some crappy press boxes...

...one of the '88 Olympic legacies actually is the fact that the facilities, and therefore the training abilities of our Olympic athletes, remained funded through the CODA initiative...here, read up:

https://www.winsport.ca/files/mediaCentre_facilities_factSheet.pdf
I think the proper term is ski jumping. And it is exciting to watch, but if stands for the viewers are non existent there's a mismatch, no? And obviously they're not on the radar for hosting world class ski jumping - if they've allowed an Olympic venue to decline so badly.

So what we have learned this last while is:

1. COP ski jump venue sucks
2. Saddledome needs to be replaced (according to the NHL, Flames, fans etc)
3. McMahon Stadium sucks (according to CFL commissioner)

Whats up with the Calgary sports community and their declining facilities?

Back in the day I remember seeing Billy Idol there when Saddledome was fairly new. We were in the nosebleeds and some portions of the roof were so low in front of us - that it partially blocked the stage. Thought it was a weird design back then.

RedandWhite

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ski_flying

...po-tay-to, po-taa-to....

....totally off the radar for those jumping events, oh wait a second


...so what we've learned this last while is you just want to crap on anything Calgary

...care to elaborate?

Iconic SR

I see it's called ski jumping.
Where do the fans sit? 

beaglehound

I see it's called ski jumping.
Where do the fans sit?
Iconic,

You said, "I think the proper term is ski jumping. And it is exciting to watch, but if stands for the viewers are non existent there's a mismatch, no? And obviously they're not on the radar for hosting world class ski jumping "[emphasis is mine]

RedandWhite did a brilliant job of showing you how "obviously" wrong you were about the event not being on the radar.  

Is that the best you can do?    You answer his question with a question and attempt to avoid your faux pas?  At least have the balls to admit you were wrong.   Are you trolling again because that is what trolls do.  I thought we talked about that already.  And what exactly is this obsession you have with the City of Calgary.  Were you run out of town on the back of a buck-board in a previous life or something?    Do you owe traffic tickets?  Did you upset some Calgary fans while attending a game and you're afraid they might recognize you?  If it's not the Calgary Stampeders, it is the fans themselves that bothers you.    If it's not the fans it is the Olympics and city counsellors and the general population.   This obsession of yours is like a disease.  You really should have it checked out.  

Iconic SR

I suspect the real reason the Big Owe still exists is because a covered stadium can temporarily house, or imprison, tens of thousands.
Don’t laugh, it’s a portion of Emergency Measures Planning and budget.

The Last Word

...while the athletes train here the actual jumps themselves are not well utilized...in a nutshell, they face the wrong way...prevailing winds come from the west and the jumps face virtually due north, so a cross wind is almost always in effect and this makes actual flying on the big jumps difficult...the skiers use the COP facility for dry land training and the smaller jumps for technique training but when it come to actual big jump flying then it’s off to Whistler or Europe for this, unless the wind is blowing right...

....the cost decision I spoke of is not so much the jumps themselves, they are in fine shape, but more so the viewing stands and media boxes...those disintegrated after the 88 games...ski flying is not a big sport after all....
That's unfortunate. I remember these things being touted as 'best in the world' when the taxpayer was asked to pay for them.
They were among the best in the world 30 years ago.  The mod is also correct in saying the boxes and stands had disintegrated long ago.  I remember visiting the Calgary Olympic Village in the late 90s and those stands had pretty much crumbled/rotted away.
What is it about publicly funded Olympic venues that fall into disarray once the Olympic fever is past? When these things are built the budgets are agreed upon for maintenance and upkeep over the years, but it seems someone is taking the money and running. Why build them if they're not going to be maintained? Can't attract additional events if the stands aren't there anymore.
Why would they waste money maintaining the stands for ski-jumping in Canada?  No one here cares enough about the sport to pay money to watch it outside of the Olympics.  The towers themselves were maintained for decades so no issue there.

The Last Word

...when was the last time you were eagerly waiting to attend the next ski flying event?  I don't have any penciled in on my calendar either...although I would be somewhat interested in buying a ticket if COP held an amateur-only night on the 90m jump...

...for what it's worth, all of the other facilities are still in great shape, making the bid possible...the Saddledome functions as an NHL arena, and non-professional sports facilities like the speed skating arena, the bobsled/luge track are still viable well-maintained and completely usable facilities...for the ski jumps, the jump structures and landing areas are perfectly fine, the stuff that disintegrated is a bunch of wooden benches and some crappy press boxes...

...one of the '88 Olympic legacies actually is the fact that the facilities, and therefore the training abilities of our Olympic athletes, remained funded through the CODA initiative...here, read up:

https://www.winsport.ca/files/mediaCentre_facilities_factSheet.pdf
I think the proper term is ski jumping. And it is exciting to watch, but if stands for the viewers are non existent there's a mismatch, no? And obviously they're not on the radar for hosting world class ski jumping - if they've allowed an Olympic venue to decline so badly.

So what we have learned this last while is:

1. COP ski jump venue sucks
2. Saddledome needs to be replaced (according to the NHL, Flames, fans etc)
3. McMahon Stadium sucks (according to CFL commissioner)

Whats up with the Calgary sports community and their declining facilities?

Back in the day I remember seeing Billy Idol there when Saddledome was fairly new. We were in the nosebleeds and some portions of the roof were so low in front of us - that it partially blocked the stage. Thought it was a weird design back then.
Apparently someone is suffering from reading incomprehension.

The Last Word

Iconic SR, "But why male models?"  ;D
 


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