Hank01

It is not idiotic at all.  Having a certain number of tickets available for walkups throughout a season is importand in creating new fans and keeping existing fans. The most popular teams in the world all cap their season ticket sales to be sure there is a decent number of individual tickets for single game buyers.

What the Riders correctly point out is that they have a harder time selling those single tickets for colder games and they think that problem can be overcome by moving the season up a few weeks.

Sounds like they know exactly what they are doing to me.  
Really what do you call rain in JULY ? No walk ups then . As a long time season ticket holder you see a dip when it rains or snows . For that matter there are no shows for tickets sold whether in July or October . YOU won't see any difference in a nothing game in October on a cold day lets say minus 3 and a pleasant plus 10 if the game is meaningless .

And all those other teams don't complain about walkups after they cap them only the Riders . So yep it's idiotic .

You being a TFC fan did the TFC ticket managers ask for a season move up because less people want to walk up on cold days ? No they did put a roof on the place to stop the rain on the spectators so  they get more walk ups on rainy days .

I don't see the Green Bay Packers complaining about the weather ?  The longest in years and largest in numbers waiting list in the NFL .
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TravelPat1

Actually other teams in other leagues do try schedule to avoid cold weather games or have to do special promotions or have lower prices to move tickets for probable cold weather games well in advance - long before the specific weather for that day is known.

In this area the Bills almost always finish the season on the road - sometimes even the last two games on the road. And their ticket pricing - cheaper for December games.

In both 2016 and 2017 they announced tiered single ticket pricing for their 8 home games as either Platinum, Gold, Silver or Bronze pricing. The only two bronze games with the lowest prices each season  - their last two home games in December. And in the Bills description of the reasons for the bronze tier - one of the main factors - the cold weather at that time of year.

Hank01

  It might be they were out of the play offs for so long and sucked for years and they would be meaningless games later in the year .

 Isn't the Labour Day game more expensive in Hamilton .

I am sure if the BILLs could sell out their entire stadium they would and if they let a few tickets remain and they don't sell them they have no excuse to complain .

 In the Cfl they do the same thing for time of day . The Riders do better in day games than night games because of travel . Look at the Argos with the Saturday schedule they have been given . We do the same things to cater to the fan base.

Wouldn't it be simpler for the Riders to sell out their season ahead of time than to leave a few and then complain they don't sell later than to rip out an entire tradition of November Football . Doesn't that make more sense .

I think the night games are more of a reason they don't sell when many have to travel . Thats probably more of a factor than anything else . Then I would say rain , snow and sleet . Sun and cold has never stopped me ever from attending .


 

rhymes with orange

Just a bad idea for too many reasons.

I am still curious where all this consensus the league states it has. All I hear is mixed reaction, mostly against it.
Exactly. Seems like Ambrosie has his mind made up on this and is going to bulldoze it through like some of the other changes we've already seen. But unlike changing the coach's challenge half-way through the season, this one is going to be a major league swing-and-a-miss.

Spring football smacks of pandering to Prairie special interests to me. Perhaps a few of the execs put the bug in his ear about cold weather, and now it seems like it's fait accompli without proper due diligence. And it is going to adversely affect the very teams that can least afford to see any type of decline in attendance.

Grover

Moving the CFL schedule up 5 weeks is all about money in the form of a US television deal with the
NFL Network.
The NFL season starts in September, The NFL Network would want as many games in the CFL to start before the start of the NFL season for maximum TV coverage for them.
If the CFL could conservatively double the television revenue to $80M-$90M or more both the league and the players with their excellent exposure would profit.
If the CFLPA gets their stuff together and gets profit sharing and a big chunk of the TV money returned in their wages it becomes a win/win for everybody.
There are many benefits to having more spring games than winter games played in Canada, 
and it's not just about the weather.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/24/cfl-could-alter-schedule-to-accommodate-nfln-deal/

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Hank01

 If you can get more than NFLN to broadcast with some increase in rights then yes it might work with an ESPN on board .

 Lots of ifs and wishes and buts .

 They already had the CFL before they didn't even broadcast the playoffs or Grey Cup. They were crappy partners then ; so what changed .

 If they are willing to shell out 60 million sure thing boss .

If you can accomplish this you can convince me but it's a huge risk with contentless NFLN alone . That channel is a wasteland of things you can get on youtube .. They are very heavy in Preseason NFL games which counters the CFL season . No big money is coming without American teams in the CFL .

 The CFL would be better off buying time on a real US network on. a Saturday or Sunday afternoon in the summer and re selling it than go down this road . Get Tim Horton's  USA  , Nissan , Provincial ,National and Civic Government Tourism , Mccain's , DR Ho , Bell and Howell Taclight , Coors light and Air Canada  together and you may get some exposure that will go over better without changing our traditions.  .

 I still remember NBC broadcasting the CFL on Sundays during the strike unfortunately they were all blow outs and the TV numbers were bad . Put a little effort and money with a few good games and you can re sell it to advertisers  .Maybe even break even  . You can pick and choose which carriers like Detroit , New York , Chicago  and leave out some lesser knowns down south to start . 

 
 

TravelPat1

 It might be they were out of the play offs for so long and sucked for years and they would be meaningless games later in the year .
Nope - they've even had great difficulty selling out playoff games in Buffalo in the 4 Super Bowl years because fans were reluctant to buy seats for what they knew would be freezing cold games.  A few of their playoff games only had the local blackout lifted because local sponsors stepped up to 'buy' the last several thousand tickets.

Early season regular season games with the likelihood of warm weather - sold out weeks in advance with no threat of the blackout being enforced during those winning seasons. December games - always a threat of a blackout with local Buffalo TV stations routinely reporting how many seats were left fo the upcoming Sunday game on their nightly newscasts - the NFL often extending the 72 hour deadline to 24 hours before the game to try to help get the blackout lifted.  

Their playoff game against the Houston Oilers - greatest comeback in NFL playoff history - was not even on local TV in Buffalo - nor here in Southern Ontario - because we were in their blackout zone - because that game did not even come close to selling out.

The difference in September/October ticket demand to December games - all about the weather.

pw13


If the CFL could conservatively double the television revenue to $80M-$90M or more both the league and the players with their excellent exposure would profit.

There's nothing conservative about doubling TV revenue. NFL Network may want some CFL games, but the CFL is not something Americans are clamouring for. I can't see NFLN or anyone else offering even $10M/year.

Grover


If the CFL could conservatively double the television revenue to $80M-$90M or more both the league and the players with their excellent exposure would profit.

There's nothing conservative about doubling TV revenue. NFL Network may want some CFL games, but the CFL is not something Americans are clamouring for. I can't see NFLN or anyone else offering even $10M/year.
The ESPN /CFL contract expires at the end of this season.

Having 2 all sports networks bidding for those rights to broadcast live CFL games to a football crazy Country of over 450M people which would fill a huge non football broadcasting void because a large portion would now be broadcast during the NFL and NCAA football off seasons if the CFL season is moved up 5 weeks, this can only be considered a good situation for the CFL negotiating team.

tangledweb

The fact that nearly every team has issues selling out games during the highly anticipated final stretch of the season including live or die playoff matches, is very telling.

You would think that the demand for the most vital games of the year would exceed supply and yet year after year do not...and many personal friends and associates have remarked that the frigid weather is a main contributing factor in their decision to refrain from attending late season games.

If moving the season up a few weeks or so will add another 500-1000 bums in the seats and enables the league to improve its overall financial health and stability with a decent revenue generating U.S. broadcast deal then i’m all for it.

Iconic SR

The fact that nearly every team has issues selling out games during the highly anticipated final stretch of the season including live or die playoff matches, is very telling.

You would think that the demand for the most vital games of the year would exceed supply and yet year after year do not...and many personal friends and associates have remarked that the frigid weather is a main contributing factor in their decision to refrain from attending late season games.

If moving the season up a few weeks or so will add another 500-1000 bums in the seats and enables the league to improve its overall financial health and stability with a decent revenue generating U.S. broadcast deal then i’m all for it.
This is a very realistic and attainable game plan. Everyone wins and revenue grows.

Xvys

The fact that nearly every team has issues selling out games during the highly anticipated final stretch of the season including live or die playoff matches, is very telling.

You would think that the demand for the most vital games of the year would exceed supply and yet year after year do not...and many personal friends and associates have remarked that the frigid weather is a main contributing factor in their decision to refrain from attending late season games.

If moving the season up a few weeks or so will add another 500-1000 bums in the seats and enables the league to improve its overall financial health and stability with a decent revenue generating U.S. broadcast deal then i’m all for it.
This is a very realistic and attainable game plan. Everyone wins and revenue grows.
Everyone wins? The biggest winner would be the NFL and TSN/CTV. CFL fans would be able to follow their favourite NFL team's for the entire season without having the CFL to watch in the Fall. With the Grey Cup played in the 3rd week of Oct, as proposed by the commissioner, that means the regular season would end in September...or even earlier for fans of non-playoff teams...early enough to closely follow the entire NFL season. Then when NFL mini-camps, training camps and preseason games are played in the next Spring and Summer, CFL fans will have more of a familiarity with NFL teams, with their ears perking up with news about the latest NFL signings and cut-downs. Then, like to many of my NFL-loving friends, the CFL might seem more "high school", "minor-league", quirky and weird compared to the slick NFL. Moving the CFL into more of a Spring league, directly competing with NHL playoffs and the World Series in Oct while allowing CFL fans to better acquaint themselves with the NFL...is that really worth drawing 500 more fans to late-season games? I don't think so. 

Canadian football has played their championship game at the end of Nov. or early Dec. for over 150 years. Why change and risk a catastrophic decline in our league, for what 500 extra fans? Even generating $1M per team from a U.S. TV contract is a pipe dream. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

RichardVeilleux

I am totally against starting the regular CFL season much  earlier than in 2018.i.e. mid-June; a week earlier will be the sooner,at least to me. I strongly doubt that the CFL Governors /Owners will ever  want to start the season much sooner; furthermore, TSN would definitely object to start the season when the NHL playoffs are still on, despite the fact that TSN does not broadcast NHL playoffs.

IF a tenth team/Halifax is added in 2020 or more probably in 2021, it would be then easier for scheduling purposes and the regular season could end earlier. How? Teams could have only 1 week break during the season and it would mean that the regular season would last 19 weeks rather than 21 as in 2018. This year the Grey Cup game will be held in Edmonton on November 26,2018; if there had been 10 teams and only 1 week break, the Grey Cup would have been held on November 12. The playoffs would be starting the last week on October.

Richard

Argofan_1000

Moving the CFL schedule up 5 weeks is all about money in the form of a US television deal with the
NFL Network.
The NFL season starts in September, The NFL Network would want as many games in the CFL to start before the start of the NFL season for maximum TV coverage for them.
If the CFL could conservatively double the television revenue to $80M-$90M or more both the league and the players with their excellent exposure would profit.
If the CFLPA gets their stuff together and gets profit sharing and a big chunk of the TV money returned in their wages it becomes a win/win for everybody.
There are many benefits to having more spring games than winter games played in Canada,
and it's not just about the weather.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/24/cfl-could-alter-schedule-to-accommodate-nfln-deal/
moving start time is worth it for 80 -90 million. at 10 million total only do what's right for the league. also needs to be  a long term commitment from a US broadcaster. 

9 million more per team + a healthy TSN contract and sponsorships does place all the teams on a healthy financial footing.  If some of this money filter down to players and the new CBA starts with 8 - 10 million then all players will make 100K minimum. Should stop some of them trying the NFL if they are making a comfortable living playing in Canada. 2 million of us go to games in the regular season. 25M increase in CBA or 2.8M per team puts the Cap at 8M. that would mean another $12.00 each or split via different revenue streams.  I can't see how to avoid the cap moving to this amount.

I got a new idea for an all star game. US players vs Canadians? 

Iconic SR

Would love to see active NFL all star squad play an active CFL all star squad.
Americans vs Canadians would be a total beat down by them so I’d like to avoid that scenario.

Canada simply doesn’t produce enough football talent to make US vs Canada fair.
 


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