ArgoT

Of course a contract is a contract, but at the same time how many times do we see coaches getting out of their contracts.
The old understanding nudge nudge wink wink if a coach can better himself he is let go.
Same thing for players in our league being let go to try out with the NFL.
I am not sure how this is any different.
Bottom line, negotiate with him and give a significant raise to sign a multi year deal.

bowl450

Players contract not guaranteed
If a team doesn't want to honer  a players contract they can release him with no compensation.
If a player wants out of his contract he can't.
Is it right that management is not bound to a contract but a player is ? NO
IMHO it should go both ways,
if you can release me with no compensation any time you want I should be able walk any time I want ?
Is it right ?

FootbalYouBet


Is it right that management is not bound to a contract but a player is ?
in the world of sports, it is totally right
Crush cream soda is oh so good.  I think I'll have another

There are people out there who just will not be happy until they have created sentient AI.

nythril

Typically CFL clubs let stars out of their contract early only in the year their contracts expire -  so that they can get a head start on Exploring NFL interest. So for most of the players its simply being free in Oct/Nov instead of waiting till Feb. It benefits both sides as if a player has to wait till Feb and is shut out of a shot at an NFL training camp invite - they wouldn't be so inclined to resign with that CFL club when their try out ends/fails.

This case is different - they guy is mid contract. Sitting out a year is going to just about kill any chance he has of making the NFL. If the NFL is his goal then get the Argos to agree to cut him after next seasons last game and to talk to NFL teams now - then play his heart out. If money is the issue then as another poster suggests - he should go to the argo's and demand a long term contract be negotiated ..... setting his price per season at what he feels he should get. Win win for both sides as if he is in the CFL long term it keeps his rights with the argos.

PTBO Dave

Players contract not guaranteed
If a team doesn't want to honer  a players contract they can release him with no compensation.
If a player wants out of his contract he can't.
Is it right that management is not bound to a contract but a player is ? NO
IMHO it should go both ways,
if you can release me with no compensation any time you want I should be able walk any time I want ?
Is it right ?
Teams can't make a player play anymore than a player can make a team play him.

If a player doesn't want to work under the terms of the contract he signed, he can quit, just as Wilder is considering doing.

Xvys

Actually veteran player salaries are guaranteed after Labour Day until the end of the season, including incentives, playoff bonuses and championship rings, even if they are released. With so many players signing one-year deals, their contracts are essentially guaranteed if they play the first 8-10 games of the season (unlike in the NFL).

CFL coaches are bound by their contracts, just ask Neil Thorpe. Coaches are normally allowed to leave if they're offered a promotion to a more senior level position with another team. Many positional coaches are on one-year contracts, often working seasonally, so their contracts are a moot point.

If the CFL wants to continue operating as a professional league, player contracts must be ironclad. Players willfully sign the contracts offered and they should be required to honour them. 

If the Argos let Wilder walk, perhaps the contract of every 1000-yd rusher should be torn up, so they can tryout in the NFL, but 999-yds or less then your stuck in the CFL? Maybe the NFL could call-up players during the CFL season? I'm sure the players wouldn't mind and it might generate some much needed press for the league!

With the CFL contemplating giving up Fall football to the NFL and becoming a Spring league, CFL fans would be able to follow their favourite NFL team for the entire season. No irritating scheduling conflicts with little 'ole Canadian football. TSN would love this and so would all fans of both leagues! Maybe star players could play in both leagues in the same season, with the CFL becoming a true and fitting farm-league for...The National Football League.

Hank01

With the CFL contemplating giving up Fall football to the NFL and becoming a Spring league, CFL fans would be able to follow their favourite NFL team for the entire season. No irritating scheduling conflicts with little 'ole Canadian football. TSN would love this and so would all fans of both leagues! Maybe star players could play in both leagues in the same season, with the CFL becoming a true and fitting farm-league for...The National Football League.

  Good observation . 

  I keep returning to Toronto,  the elephant in the room  . Rogers capitulation after a terrible year at BMO is a remarkable turn of events and incredibly odd timing. 

 So the flagship franchise is now controlled by two thirds who offered a Billion dollars to own the Buffalo Bills . 

 And the third is heavily invested in NFL TV rights on it's premier channel CTV .

  Just strange bedfellows for the other eight CFL owners .

 


  


  

 
  

  

Grover

2 weeks ago Wilder says he is going to go for 1K and 1K.
Today he says he is going to go unless he gets $100K.  ;)

James Wilder Jr‏Verified account 
@IAm_Wilder32
I will be the first @CFL player to get 1k-1k
I talk my goals into existence, I absolutely love the pressure, No more just big goals, BEST goals only this year of 2018 for me!!!!!!
#HUMBLEbutHUNGRY #WILDER1k1kCHASE
#getWILDER

6:24 PM - 8 Jan 2018

I wonder what Wilder's response would be if,
He was offered $100K but he must add another year to his contract??

David William Naylor‏Verified account
@TSNDaveNaylor
Argos GM Jim Popp says if NFL teams have been expressing interest in @IAm_Wilder32 then they are in violation of agreement between CFL and NFL because he is under contract. #CFL #Argos

Thanks to @Doc_Dave for sig

DAN38

  Last year the media went all out and made this guy the feel good story of the season.. This scenario is a big problem with our league. One I do not like. Too much turnover, but it is a two way street and I say let him go, who cares ? When he fails in his attempt at greed, I feel he should not be allowed back by any team. Maybe the league should mandate this kind of law. If you won't honour our contracts then you are blackballed.
Si vis pacem... para bellum

Iconic SR

 Last year the media went all out and made this guy the feel good story of the season.. This scenario is a big problem with our league. One I do not like. Too much turnover, but it is a two way street and I say let him go, who cares ? When he fails in his attempt at greed, I feel he should not be allowed back by any team. Maybe the league should mandate this kind of law. If you won't honour our contracts then you are blackballed.
Normally I don’t agree with a player who wants more money after they signed a deal. However this case is different. He has been receiving some interest down south and obviously that is more lucrative if it pans out. All he is saying he needs to remain healthy for that opportunity, so he will sit out here and not get paid. He is taking substantial financial risk by declining to accept his CFL pay, but at the same time he is mitigating his physical risk by not playing for peanuts.

Contracts aren’t a sentence, they are an agreement, and if either of the two parties don’t fulfill their obligations - they suffer the associated financial loss outlined in the contract. Wilder has said he will suffer the financial loss. His health is worth more than $56K. I agree with that logic.

If the Argos turn this into a circus by accusing the NFL of interfering, it could be very negative PR for both the Argos and the CFL as it highlights how lousy our CFL pay structure is and REALLY makes us look bush league.

In the future: how does the CFL or any team avoid this situation? Don’t offer insulting contracts to a very talented young player who is desperate for a paycheque. Offer them their market worth. If there was a $100K minimum CFL contract value that all had to comply with - none of this would he happening. Time for the commissioner to deal with this league-wide issue.

DAN38

  I didn't sign his application form, HE DID ! This kind of crap is what makes the CFL look bush league already. the Argos probably felt they were taking a chance with him and this is how it turns out. Blaming the league for no minimum is ludicrous... See you later Wilder. The league does not revolve around you. Don't come back looking for sympathy. Although some here will make excuses for anything. It all comes down to one word 'HONOUR'. Either you have it or you don't.

Iconic SR

 I didn't sign his application form, HE DID ! This kind of crap is what makes the CFL look bush league already. the Argos probably felt they were taking a chance with him and this is how it turns out. Blaming the league for no minimum is ludicrous... See you later Wilder. The league does not revolve around you. Don't come back looking for sympathy. Although some here will make excuses for anything. It all comes down to one word 'HONOUR'. Either you have it or you don't.
I think you may not understand that everyday in Canada - thousands of business contracts get broken and both parties walk away and are accepting of the consequences of the broken contract (because it’s outlined in the contract). It’s just business. There’s no nobility or honour at stake. Business only.

And if Wilder is a dime a dozen - then the Argos can just go find another Wilder.

DAN38

  And I think that you may not understand that there are people like myself that stand by their word.
  Wilder is a dime a dozen and even more so if he has no honour. Sad world you live in.

burnsy99

the guy signed a contract. Argos let him out of his deal then they've set a prescedent whereby any player under contract can just leave before the deal is over.

prairiewolf77

I'm mixed on this, mostly due to his previous statements wanting to do 1k and 1k. Sounded like he wanted to prove himself in the league and had goals.

He has the right to walk. The Argos have the right to hold him to his signed and agreed contract. The fact that teams can walk away from contracts, is not a factor, it is in the bargaining agreement. Take it up your Players association.

I get he wants to be paid more, and if he plays one more season and puts up big numbers in a full season, something he has not done professionally, then take your shot in the NFL, or get a bigger contract in the CFL. How many crash and burn examples are there of one hit wonders. 

As for interest, clearly with his dad's links to the NFL, people are probably approaching through him or other NFL links.

Has sitting out a year ever worked for anybody. Especially someone who was already washed out or ignored by the NFL once before?


 


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