Grover

I found this on the Halifax Stadium skyscraper site.

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For some more idle speculation while we wait for an announcement, here's what they got for their money in Hamilton which might be similar to what happens here.

The big reveal

$145.7-million stadium features private boxes, wider seats and community access

The specs
• North-south orientation
• Permanent seating for 22,500 people (Ivor Wynne seats 30,000)
• Ability to expand to 40,000 for Grey Cup games
• 700 club seats
• 20 VIP suites
• 5.45-hectare footprint
• 180 parking spots (400 spots available at the current venue)
• Six elevators
• General admission seats are 21 inches wide; club seats are 22 inches and VIP seats are 24 inches wide — wider than industry standard
• Concession stands on all levels of the stadium
• Several hundred LED televisions to be installed in the concourses, washrooms and hospitality areas
• Meets international requirements for FIFA soccer and CFL football

The Money
• Overall cost is $145.7 million
• $119.1 to be spent on the stadium construction and design
• $26.6 million to be spent on “soft costs” such as project management, transaction fees and a contingency fund
• City contributing $54.3 million
• Province contributing $22.3 million
• Federal government paying the remaining $69.1 million
• Ticats to pay city $450,000 a year in rental costs

The Deal
• Consortium called Ontario Sports Solutions (comprised of Bouygues Building Canada Inc., Kenaidan Contracting Ltd., and several other companies) won bid over two other pre-qualified competitors
• Deal also includes design and build of Town of Milton’s velodrome and York University stadium
• Price and completion dates fixed and written into the contract

The community
• Stadium to host about 1,400 hours of community use per year, including soccer, football, concerts and other community events
• Features public fitness and change rooms
• Designed to allow maximum sunlight on now-shadowed neighbouring streets
• Designed to minimize noise levels for neighbours
• Designed to meet barrier-free guidelines

The next steps
• A site plan for the new stadium has yet to be filed with the city. That document will outline the exact specifications of the stadium and give the city a chance to review whether it meets its design guidelines.
• Ontario Sports Solutions, the firm in charge of building the new stadium, will take possession of the property on Dec. 1.
• The demolition and construction will begin immediately after the stadium is cleared.
• The estimated completion date is 2014, a year before the Pan Am Games.
• The Ticats have yet to announce where they will play during the stadium construction in 2013.

And..

The Ticats have committed to pay the city $1.2 million per year for 20 years in exchange for use of the stadium, including $450,000 in rent and $750,000 per season in exchange for naming rights as part of a memorandum of understanding signed in February 2011


FYI - The TiCats paid $27,500/yr rent @ IWS

Thanks to @Doc_Dave for sig

clx1407

Enough with the all the arguing about the Regional team name, where the stadium will be, the financial aspects of the team,etc. Just let the league take it's time in securing a legit owner, and bring a 10th team the league surely deserves!
its called discussion and it is the purpose of this forum.

you wouldn't want to be accused of interfering with free speech wouldja :)
My bad, just thought people were arguing more than a discussion..

ArgoT

I found this on the Halifax Stadium skyscraper site.

Quote
For some more idle speculation while we wait for an announcement, here's what they got for their money in Hamilton which might be similar to what happens here.

The big reveal

$145.7-million stadium features private boxes, wider seats and community access

The specs
• North-south orientation
• Permanent seating for 22,500 people (Ivor Wynne seats 30,000)
• Ability to expand to 40,000 for Grey Cup games
• 700 club seats
• 20 VIP suites
• 5.45-hectare footprint
• 180 parking spots (400 spots available at the current venue)
• Six elevators
• General admission seats are 21 inches wide; club seats are 22 inches and VIP seats are 24 inches wide — wider than industry standard
• Concession stands on all levels of the stadium
• Several hundred LED televisions to be installed in the concourses, washrooms and hospitality areas
• Meets international requirements for FIFA soccer and CFL football

The Money
• Overall cost is $145.7 million
• $119.1 to be spent on the stadium construction and design
• $26.6 million to be spent on “soft costs” such as project management, transaction fees and a contingency fund
• City contributing $54.3 million
• Province contributing $22.3 million
• Federal government paying the remaining $69.1 million
• Ticats to pay city $450,000 a year in rental costs

The Deal
• Consortium called Ontario Sports Solutions (comprised of Bouygues Building Canada Inc., Kenaidan Contracting Ltd., and several other companies) won bid over two other pre-qualified competitors
• Deal also includes design and build of Town of Milton’s velodrome and York University stadium
• Price and completion dates fixed and written into the contract

The community
• Stadium to host about 1,400 hours of community use per year, including soccer, football, concerts and other community events
• Features public fitness and change rooms
• Designed to allow maximum sunlight on now-shadowed neighbouring streets
• Designed to minimize noise levels for neighbours
• Designed to meet barrier-free guidelines

The next steps
• A site plan for the new stadium has yet to be filed with the city. That document will outline the exact specifications of the stadium and give the city a chance to review whether it meets its design guidelines.
• Ontario Sports Solutions, the firm in charge of building the new stadium, will take possession of the property on Dec. 1.
• The demolition and construction will begin immediately after the stadium is cleared.
• The estimated completion date is 2014, a year before the Pan Am Games.
• The Ticats have yet to announce where they will play during the stadium construction in 2013.

And..

The Ticats have committed to pay the city $1.2 million per year for 20 years in exchange for use of the stadium, including $450,000 in rent and $750,000 per season in exchange for naming rights as part of a memorandum of understanding signed in February 2011


FYI - The TiCats paid $27,500/yr rent @ IWS
I am not sure the team owners have to commit to the use of the stadium for the public especially if they are funding the full building price.
Sure taxes to be paid, but that would remove the rental portion back to the city.
Also, very important and more like the Ottawa example, there has to be restaurants and retail store as part of the entire complex.
That would be an additional return on the investment not to mention the year round public use.

HfxTC

The people of Milwaukee have no problem supporting the Green Bay Packers . But 5 million people live within 1 and a half hour drive, that's why they get 65,000 fans at $300 plus a pop.

And 22,000 per game will spell failure and so will 26,000. Just on average, in a game season the west wins. Why!!!!!!!!! they average 28,000 per game. East 23,500. Difference is Major over 9 games.
Salary cap!!!! Really. More money more perks!!! Lets fix the east with there tiny stadiums first to move up to 30,000 per game. Then work on a expansion team with money and sponsors, with great stadium venue. Could be any where in booming Canada Then welcome snoozers in league when they finally get there system straight. Many many years away. We don;t need another anchor today or tomorrow.
I call BS. The Als until they recently mismanaged their franchise were making a profit every year with 20 000 fans and the TV money and ticket prices have tripled since they came back to the league. A 22 000 sold out stadium with no discounted tickets is a moneymaker in today's CFL. It is never going to make Saskatchewan money but it is a fine start, especially if they keep the end zones open for expansion.
Everything I write is just an opinion formed from various sources. Some more reliable than others, it is expressed as a composite of facts, innuendos, emotions, personal experiences and complete fabulation into a gumbo for entertainment purposes alone.

Aerial

Als move to Halifax in a new stadium.  Who knows.  
"Canadian football does in fact have 4 downs, its just that as Canadians we are very polite and punt on the third down" -John Candy, SCTV

Cool

Good post Grover. What's the difference between Hamilton and Halifax.  Great minds think alike. 

A stadium such as THF situation on the Commons would be electric.  Like and Explosion so to speak... 

2020

#Vision
Pull Together everyone
1873

brianjoxx

Brian, are you suggesting that the league is not allowing ownership groups from other Canadian cities to bid on CFL expansion franchises?
Actually not at all. IMOP through my contacts its the opposite. Most ownership groups would like the next franchise to be strong and vibrant with great resources that would add value to existing teams.
Any where any city. This is a business, which can be strong and always improving. Just some bad big mistakes that are coming home to roost today. We can't afford another one.

I've been involved with a group wanting to build a new stadium in Kelowna over the past 10 years.
Almost got their. Biggest obstacle when making pitches over the last 10 years is" Oh thought they gave that to Halifax" We need a outdoor venue for concerts, trade shows, soccer and football. This would be used big time. Now CFL has to be careful of there comments to stay positive to all. Of coarse there going to say many location are wonderful with CFL fans and supporters.
However WHY NOT COME OUT AND SAY there are many very good franchise locations, all with a chance SO bring all your proposals forward. Give every city a chance. Good cities.
BUT they don't and keep waving at Halifax area. Is their good value to CFL there!!
Probably not.
So you think the CFL IS taking bids from groups representing other Canadian cities? But they should publicize that fact more? I don't disagree that they should promote the fact they're accepting proposals from all over, though I can also understand the appeal of going out East.

And Kelowna hasn't been able to build a stadium over the past 10 years because Halifax keeps being given something? What things, and how are those things interfering with the Kelowna stadium?
Well Dave boy! All the news for the past 10 years is that the CFL wants a team in the far east which is true but not really. Not even close to conception over the past 10 years or 25 years more likely.
You bring proposal forward to city councils and they respond Oh we thought that was a gimme to east coast/ Not true !! Talk to CFL GM/Owners and they think not so much. Good franchises any where with Sponsorship, money owners and fans that will actually pay reasonable dollars, and build a western type stadium that can sit around 30,000 fans with a airport and big commercial center with 400,000 population is well sweet. No go for a down turn economy on the brink of disaster is better.
Keep your head up!!
Everything happens for a reason.

brianjoxx

I found this on the Halifax Stadium skyscraper site.

Quote
For some more idle speculation while we wait for an announcement, here's what they got for their money in Hamilton which might be similar to what happens here.

The big reveal

$145.7-million stadium features private boxes, wider seats and community access

The specs
• North-south orientation
• Permanent seating for 22,500 people (Ivor Wynne seats 30,000)
• Ability to expand to 40,000 for Grey Cup games
• 700 club seats
• 20 VIP suites
• 5.45-hectare footprint
• 180 parking spots (400 spots available at the current venue)
• Six elevators
• General admission seats are 21 inches wide; club seats are 22 inches and VIP seats are 24 inches wide — wider than industry standard
• Concession stands on all levels of the stadium
• Several hundred LED televisions to be installed in the concourses, washrooms and hospitality areas
• Meets international requirements for FIFA soccer and CFL football

The Money
• Overall cost is $145.7 million
• $119.1 to be spent on the stadium construction and design
• $26.6 million to be spent on “soft costs” such as project management, transaction fees and a contingency fund
• City contributing $54.3 million
• Province contributing $22.3 million
• Federal government paying the remaining $69.1 million
• Ticats to pay city $450,000 a year in rental costs

The Deal
• Consortium called Ontario Sports Solutions (comprised of Bouygues Building Canada Inc., Kenaidan Contracting Ltd., and several other companies) won bid over two other pre-qualified competitors
• Deal also includes design and build of Town of Milton’s velodrome and York University stadium
• Price and completion dates fixed and written into the contract

The community
• Stadium to host about 1,400 hours of community use per year, including soccer, football, concerts and other community events
• Features public fitness and change rooms
• Designed to allow maximum sunlight on now-shadowed neighbouring streets
• Designed to minimize noise levels for neighbours
• Designed to meet barrier-free guidelines

The next steps
• A site plan for the new stadium has yet to be filed with the city. That document will outline the exact specifications of the stadium and give the city a chance to review whether it meets its design guidelines.
• Ontario Sports Solutions, the firm in charge of building the new stadium, will take possession of the property on Dec. 1.
• The demolition and construction will begin immediately after the stadium is cleared.
• The estimated completion date is 2014, a year before the Pan Am Games.
• The Ticats have yet to announce where they will play during the stadium construction in 2013.

And..

The Ticats have committed to pay the city $1.2 million per year for 20 years in exchange for use of the stadium, including $450,000 in rent and $750,000 per season in exchange for naming rights as part of a memorandum of understanding signed in February 2011


FYI - The TiCats paid $27,500/yr rent @ IWS
And that's why they are into court today, costs over runs ,cheap stadium, legal fees, and more.
Years to settle on real costs.
Should have paid 300 million with land costs and build a nice venue for average Joe.
Learn and live. Cheap is !!! Well cheap!! Short term and long term!!!

Grover

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And that's why they are into court today, costs over runs ,cheap stadium, legal fees, and more.
Years to settle on real costs.
Should have paid 300 million with land costs and build a nice venue for average Joe.
Learn and live. Cheap is !!! Well cheap!! Short term and long term!!!
The biggest reason for cost overruns and legal fees were caused by the City and the team unable to choose a site for the PanAM Stadium.
The old IWS site was the only solution, which was zoned and shovel ready to be able to demolish IWS and design and build THF in a period of 18 months through one of the worst winter building conditions in a long time.
It was truly a last minute, drop dead, last chance decision or the Stadium was going to another City!
This time line was caused by a poor decision making dysfunctional council and the non-cooperation of the long term tenant, that was specified in the agreement with the PanAM to award the Stadium to Hamilton for the games.

IWS was falling apart, It would have cost the City over $50M in renovations just to make it last another 10 years
The $50M put up by the City was cash was from their future fund, so City taxes didn't go up one thin dime to pay for it.
The City and the Ticats are so fortunate to have THF, 

you have no idea how close it came to being built somewhere else.

Grover

Halifax CFL stadium still out of site

We were in town last week with our team of real estate consultants as well as our lead architect visiting a number of sites in the region. We do hope to have a site selected in the next month.”

The group that wants to bring the CFL to Halifax has engaged Deloitte in Halifax to finalize an economic impact analysis that would include a potential stadium.

MORE HERE

http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/1561647-halifax-cfl-stadium-still-out-of-site#.Ws_ivAq5M9Y.twitter

Cool

Saw that article as well.  Nice to hear of the sites they're thinking of...  I think location is paramount to success... 

Grover

Here is the ticket to partial Fed funding for a $160M 24K seat Stadium

Nova Scotia commits $3.5M to bid to host 2020 Indigenous Games in Halifax

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/nova-scotia-indigenous-games-2020-bid-1.4617238


In my Dreams funding
Feds - $60M , Trudeau is Indigenous friendly
Prov - $45M
City -  $15M - City to own Stadium
Private - $40M -

Grover

Poll shows people in Halifax open to using municipal taxes to pay for CFL stadium


Between March 26 and April 2, 500 people in HRM were asked the following question: “To what extent, if at all, are you in favour of the Halifax Regional Municipality contributing taxpayers’ dollars, either directly or through tax breaks, to the building of a new outdoor stadium in the municipality.”
In total, 42 per cent of respondents said they were either “very favourable” or “favourable” to the idea. Forty-one per cent said they were either unfavourable or very unfavourable.
Another 15 per cent were neither favourable nor unfavourable, with another 2 per cent unsure.
The most popular of the six possible answers was favourable, at 27 per cent.
“I honestly thought it would be a much lower level of interest,” said Rick Emberley of MQO Research.



The poll by MQO Research also asked respondents what size such a stadium should be if built. The runaway winner — at 40 per cent — was between 15,000 and 25,000 seats.
The other options were up to 15,000 seats or more than 25,000 seats. Both those suggestions received less than 15 per cent support.


The polling firm also asked about possible stadium locations. Shannon Park was top choice at 27 per cent, followed by Dartmouth Crossing at 22 per cent and Bayers Lake at 14 per cent.


MUCH MORE HERE
https://www.thestar.com/halifax/2018/04/15/exclusive-poll-shows-people-in-halifax-open-to-using-municipal-taxes-to-pay-for-cfl-stadium.html?platform=hootsuite

Cool

No doubt Shannon Park is the best

pianoman8849

No doubt Shannon Park is the best
In the article "Halifax Stadium Still Out Of Site, Shannon Park has been practically ruled out because it's already being targeted for other things. 

Dartmouth Crossing makes the most sense, having lots of space, proximity to Highway 118 that leads to Highway 102, which goes to the airport and is the main highway to New Brunswick and PEI. 
 


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